Let's narrow down some Ripper 'facts'

[DVV]

Hello David. Well, he was cleared.

Cheers.
LC

Of course. I'm not saying he killed anybody, but the killers confessed having gone to his apartment and even tried the door.

[lynn cates]

main point

Hello David. Well, he was cleared.

And my main point was that the "stands-to-reason" police case turned out to be entirely incorrect. But the real reason would have been dismissed as a lunatic's fancy.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

As you recall, they had an early suspect, Garretson. The killings were supposed a drug deal gone very wrong.
LC

Hi Lynn, routine aside, Garretson was suspected because it's difficult to believe him entirely. I'm almost sure he heard more than he said. Could even be a bit worse.

[lynn cates]

real story

Hello Michael. I agree with you about the Tate/LaBianca killings.

As you recall, they had an early suspect, Garretson. The killings were supposed a drug deal gone very wrong.

And the LaBianca killings were thought to be a copycat.

Can you imagine walking into a police station the next day, whilst Garretson was incarcerated, and claiming that Steve Parent had NOTHING to do with the killings as such, he was merely in the wrong place at the wrong time; and then proceed with the story of Helter Skelter?

I daresay they would have locked you up in an asylum. And yet . . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

striking a pose

Hello Jon. Canvas? Oh no, not Walter Sickert?

Seriously, I'm not so certain about a pose. Wouldn't such a position be fairly standard in order to get where one "needs" to go?

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Never got the name. But I will.

Mike

[DVV]

I know her quite well. Her name was Tigist, right ?
Now she has 4 children.

[The Good Michael]

Agreed, Mike, in fact that is my point precisely. Paraphilia is just a synonym of the old "perversion", and there are perversions of all sorts, some harmless, some more dangerous. We are all "paraphiliacs", more or less, and the list of paraphilias cannot be exhaustive, it will evolve with human nature - and perversions.

When I was in Gonder, I met a woman, about 6 feet tall and beautiful with only three words of English. When she wanted to go with me after an evening in the beer garden, and I found out she was in high school... well, I became a GonderEthioparaphiliac at that moment, but I did not give in to the voices in my head. Let's add that to our list.

Mike

PS. She's older now... I might go back

[DVV]

Let's say : if tomorrow we find a guy whose passion is to make love with potatoes, that will become a new category or sub-category of paraphilia.

What Jack did reflected his own and personal paraphilia. So once we've said this, we haven't said a lot.

[DVV]

Agreed, Mike, in fact that is my point precisely. Paraphilia is just a synonym of the old "perversion", and there are perversions of all sorts, some harmless, some more dangerous. We are all "paraphiliacs", more or less, and the list of paraphilias cannot be exhaustive, it will evolve with human nature - and perversions.

[The Good Michael]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias

Hi Garry & all, sorry to insist, but paraphilia seems to be what I said it was. Not that I believe everything from wiki, but...

Now, now David, since psychology is an imperfect "science", full of holes, suppositions, and egos, there is room for all definitions.

Mike

[DVV]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias

Hi Garry & all, sorry to insist, but paraphilia seems to be what I said it was. Not that I believe everything from wiki, but...

[The Good Michael]

Kelly's mutilations appear to have been performed on parts that were not hidden,as much as on those that were. What relevance and skill can be adjudged by the stripping of skin and removal of breasts,as distinct ffrom internal activities.What of the facial mutilations?Little in the way of trophys there,and I guess most of us could have caused equally severe disfigureation.It is this facial a spect that interests me.I guess after cutting the throat,he methodically started on the face and moved downwards.Messy and controlled,not neccessarily knowledgeable.

Harry,

Of course Kelly was different. If a victim of the same person, her demolition may be thought of as after-the-fact work that, time, seclusion (of sorts), and illumination allowed for. My bet is that he got the insides finished first and then played, perhaps after a rest.

Mike

[harry]

Kelly's mutilations appear to have been performed on parts that were not hidden,as much as on those that were. What relevance and skill can be adjudged by the stripping of skin and removal of breasts,as distinct ffrom internal activities.What of the facial mutilations?Little in the way of trophys there,and I guess most of us could have caused equally severe disfigureation.It is this facial a spect that interests me.I guess after cutting the throat,he methodically started on the face and moved downwards.Messy and controlled,not neccessarily knowledgeable.

[The Good Michael]

Considering where these women were found, considering the pose, legs apart, abdomen emptied, organs around the body, intestines over the shoulder, some with features slashed.
These women were on display, everything calculated to disturb the viewer, shock and awe!

Jon,

I disagree with this assessment. The women seem to have been lying in a natural position in order for the murderer to access organs from the front. There was some 'playfulness' with the features, but I don't see any posing. As far as the organs being 'placed' hither and yon, I'm not a believer in that. I see a guy searching for something and putting things wherever he can easily reach as he decides what he;s found isn't what he was looking for. In Kelly's case, I see a man who has done everything he can in a reasonable amount of time, and still cannot find what he's looking for. If he wanted to create shock and awe, he was unsuccessful in my opinion, and therefore wasn't after that. What was inside the body was more important to him than what was outside.

Mike