Let's narrow down some Ripper 'facts'

[Malcolm X]

yes people fell on hard times back then, so this is a perfect disguise for JTR.

a once successful person who has fallen on hard times, who visits london in search of work, like so many others.... no not quite, he's disapearing somewhere during the week and pretending to be searching for work/ poor on the weekends, hence he has little proof of ID about him...... maybe !

why has JTR suddenly appeared and started killing, well he has the perfect excuse doesn't he, i've been here searching for work for the past few months, without any luck, i think i'll go home soon, i come from Romford !

[Malcolm X]

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if this is JTR, then this reflects intelligence, because it's not as if he can ask someone else to dream up the graffiti for him....... he has to figure this out on his own.

the letters?...... who knows! but if they're from him or one or two are, then if you consider the graffiti, it looks like he's disguising these on purpose to look stupid.

the graffiti is neat, written calmly, no spelling mistakes, clever and finally wickedly poetic !

this is not ``the water in Majorca dont taste like it outa``...... bloody hell i've spelt it wrong

[Malcolm X]

Could one of you explain your grounds for believing that the Eddowes incision went anyway but down, from anyone's perspective? You would be contridicting Brown's testimony if you did--which is fine, but I'd like to hear the rationale.

plus messing me around as well !

[Malcolm X]

[QUOTE=Wickerman;206293]Malcolm.
You cannot judge the killers literacy based on the fact you think he wrote the GSG. No matter how many might agree, any connection is speculatory.

.QUOTE]


yea' right, so the graffiti, which means nothing on its own, just happens to be there beside the Apron..... i doubt it.

the clue is :- the graffiti means nothing on it's own....because if you were intending this to be normal street graffiti, then you would have a Subject for reference.

``the jews are the men that wont be blamed for THEIR DEATHS for nothing``

but in reality you see no subject mentioned, because you have the Apron instead.

[Rya]

They moved upwards from Eddowes' perspective, but not necessarily from the killer's.

Mike

Could one of you explain your grounds for believing that the Eddowes incision went anyway but down, from anyone's perspective? You would be contridicting Brown's testimony if you did--which is fine, but I'd like to hear the rationale.

[The Good Michael]

Hello Malcolm. Of course, the Eddowes' cuts moved upwards whereas the cuts on Nichols and Chapman ran downwards.

Maybe done for variety?

They moved upwards from Eddowes' perspective, but not necessarily from the killer's.

Mike

[Wickerman]

the lower classes of London were quite illiterate, i'd be surprised if JOE AVERAGE JTR was as literate as he seems, i think he is, but i could be wrong, this is because the Graffiti is extremely well written and very clever too, it's almost poetic.

Malcolm.
You cannot judge the killers literacy based on the fact you think he wrote the GSG. No matter how many might agree, any connection is speculatory.

On the other hand, just because JtR might have resided in a common lodging-house does not mean he was illiterate.
One very interesting series of articles written by George Sims in 1883 demonstrate the mixed multitude of lodgers from all walks of life, some of whom previously occupied a higher status in society.
Howards, JTR Forums.

http://jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=14129

Post # 10.

"Hundreds of people crowding into a slum have no business there at all. They should be in better neighbourhoods, inhabiting superior houses; but they are people who have fallen on evil times, and become gradually impoverished.
People on a downward track filter through the slums en route for the workhouse.
Come to a common lodging-house and see what class of people fill the beds at 4d a night.
Poor labourers? yes.
Loafers and criminals? yes.
But hundreds of men who have once been in first-class positions, and who have had every chance of doing well, are to be found there also."

Sims goes on to list examples of previously well-to-do men who have fallen onto hard times; a Paymaster of the Royal Navy, two college chums from Cambridge, a Physicians son who was himself a doctor, a Clergyman, a Commercial Traveller, a member of the Stock Exchange, and others.

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

He?

Hello Malcolm. He? Not the same.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm. Of course, the Eddowes' cuts moved upwards whereas the cuts on Nichols and Chapman ran downwards.

Maybe done for variety?

Cheers.
LC

oh i didn't know that, that's interesting.... but with MJK i suppose we cant tell
why has he changed the direction of cuts......... uuuuuuumm !

[lynn cates]

directions

Hello Malcolm. Of course, the Eddowes' cuts moved upwards whereas the cuts on Nichols and Chapman ran downwards.

Maybe done for variety?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

most anatomical cuts start at the Sternum down, with the whole area laid open and exposed, just like Eddowes.

the lower classes of London were quite illiterate, i'd be surprised if JOE AVERAGE JTR was as literate as he seems, i think he is, but i could be wrong, this is because the Graffiti is extremely well written and very clever too, it's almost poetic.

[Errata]

I don't believe sexual abuse shows a person where the uterus is located.

If the killers studies did begin in such a fashion, and his interest increased, I suspect he would have explored other avenues --such as Malcolm has outlined.

But that raises the question -- does that make the killer literate?

Also, and my history is failing me here, but didn't butchers shops have animals laid open in plain sight? If his only knowledge of anatomy was from dead cows and sheep, and it wasn't informed knowledge (because presumably a butcher knows that cows and humans arent built the same) it might explain why he started his cut so high to take a uterus. He could have taken it easily only cutting from the naval down, but in cows and sheep, the uterus is right under the rumen which in us would be the stomach. If we were laid out the same way, you would have to start the cut at the sternum. Which he did.

The thing is, caesarians weren't all that common on humans, but they were terribly common in animals. Any who worked with animals would know how to access the uterus. Jack didn't. No direct knowledge. It had to be secondary. And a dead sheep in a window isn't a bad start.

[Errata]

I don't believe sexual abuse shows a person where the uterus is located.

If the killers studies did begin in such a fashion, and his interest increased, I suspect he would have explored other avenues --such as Malcolm has outlined.

But that raises the question -- does that make the killer literate?

I thought the literacy rate at the time for males was a little over 80%. Wouldn't it be more unusual if he wasn't literate?

[Malcolm X]

I don't believe sexual abuse shows a person where the uterus is located.

If the killers studies did begin in such a fashion, and his interest increased, I suspect he would have explored other avenues --such as Malcolm has outlined.

But that raises the question -- does that make the killer literate?

yes i think it would have to, because to realise where the disturbing stuff is, points to intelligence and literacy, as well as education.

i.e half of the kids today wont even know who ``De Sade`` was.

if it wasn't for MJK, i'd say that JTR was targeting organs only, but the mess she's in, reveals that JTR was a sicko as well, in fact; it's beginning to start with Eddowes.

i'm not sure about any of this anymore, this much perversion would not stop after Kelly, you cant cure a pervert or a Paedofile etc, JTR would carry on.

why did he suddenly stop what he clearly enjoyed so much, his grande finale' was her heart, nothing needed after this and this is deffo an occult style mutilation anyway........ not sure, it keeps boiling down to this.

1....a perv would not stop till he was caught/ died or went insane, his sexual appetite would overcome him, sooner or later, just think of Garry Glitter trying to get onto Facebook recently.
2.....a contract killer would stop as soon as the contract finished
3.....a killer would have to stop if he inserted himself into the case
4.....an occult weirdo would stop after MJK as well

I dont think a contract killer would make such a mess of MJK, simply to hide what he was up to, plus to protect his client... does this make sense?

conclusion ..... only someone that was cold hearted and on a mission could stop, anyone else who was emotionally driven cant, he either carries on later on or dies.

why would GH go to the police after MJK, why not after another 5 more similar victims, this is JTR quitting too early isn't it and for no reason at all, because the police are nowhere near catching him..... unless he realised that next time, the bloodhounds might be sent after him and if he's local, they will definitely be able to catch him, for sure.

i dont know.... it could be, because the fear of Bloodhounds next time would definitely put me off, i'd think .....``i'm running out of time, look here in the paper, they're talking about sending out the Bloodhounds if these murders carry on``

[curious]

Curious,

I was talking about sexual abuse.

Mike

I don't believe sexual abuse shows a person where the uterus is located.

If the killers studies did begin in such a fashion, and his interest increased, I suspect he would have explored other avenues --such as Malcolm has outlined.

But that raises the question -- does that make the killer literate?