The Birmingham suspect : Lewis or Hutch's ?

[mariab]

Lynn Cates is most definitely an original thinker. Maybe even too much of it.

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Mike.

Discovering what? I began my sentence with "If I were Dr T..." The only evidence we have is...a friend of Tumbletys?

Actually, what I said was that “Up till now we’ve had no idea exactly where Tumblety was staying during the Autumn of 1888” and I added that you have suggested the East End in the past and I pointed out a source which stated Charing Cross. Beyond these conjectures, we have no real evidence which proves exactly where he was living. My sarcasm aside, you have posted a couple of times here on this board the information that Tumblety was living in Birmingham. You don’t offer this as a theory or a possibility but as an ascertained fact:

Post #5.
“Well, there is that one suspect that:
1) Resided in Birmingham on the weekdays and London on the weekends during the time of the murders...and always took the train. Euston station is the logical choice, since it is stationed at the West End.”

Post #33
“If I were Dr. T, I'd be going to my other residence on the 16th, that being Birmingham.”

And you’ve stated this again in your response to me:

“Since it was merely a misdemeanor case and Tumblety was residing in Birmingham…”

I asked you what proof is there to support these statements and you ignored the question. However, you seem to have indirectly answered it by bringing up H. M. Smith’s letter:

“If Canada's Deputy Minister William Smith was correct, then the papers got it wrong.
(Smith) "(Tumblety) had been living in Birmingham and used to come up to London on Saturday nights. The police have always had their eyes on him every place he went, and finally the Birmingham Police telegraphed to the London Police that he left for London, and on his arrival he was nabbed accordingly." - Deputy Minister Smith.”

Yes, we did go over this last year and you seem to have ignored what was written about Smith’s letter back then. Why? Probably because, sadly, you ignore any fact or piece of evidence which doesn’t support your one sided, one dimensional views.

Smith was writing to his friend from Ottawa, Canada, across the Atlantic Ocean from London, England, and his source was obviously an Ottawa newspaper report or reports as both the story of Tumblety’s arrest and the Euston Station Suspect arrived in North America within days of each other.
Smith was obviously wrong about Tumblety living in Birmingham, the Birmingham and other newspapers prove this. The man wasn’t Tumblety because his movements, as given by the Birmingham Police, do not match those of Tumblety’s own movements in London.
The Euston Station Suspect was in Birmingham between the 12th and the 17th of November and didn’t leave until the morning of the 17th. Tumblety was arrested and in jail in London sometime during this exact time period and was in front of a London Magistrate on the 16th.
The description of the man, both those of his past professional life and his physical description, do not match those of Tumblety.

The 'terms of his bail' is exactly right, except we do not know if the magistrate executed a writ Ne Exeat Regno in restraining a person from leaving the jurisdiction of the court or leaving the country. Since it was merely a misdemeanor case and Tumblety was residing in Birmingham, I'm sure Tumblety's legal representative was successful.

It was a misdemeanor case in which Tumblety was charged with gross indecency and indecent assault with force and arms against 4 men. It wasn’t spitting on the sidewalk or walking his dog without a leash and he had already failed to return when his police bail was up and a warrant for his arrest had to be re-issued. He was then remanded into custody and locked up till his hearing in front of the Magistrate was held so he was obviously a risk to disappear.

On top of this, you would also have us believe that he was the Number 1 Suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders and that the police could do nothing to making sure he’d stay in London? That he was released but not followed? That they didn’t ask Tumblety where he was living? That Scotland Yard didn’t know he had supposedly left London for Birmingham? That they didn’t ask the Birmingham police to keep an eye on him
and, therefore, didn’t know he was the man arriving at Euston Station? And that they arrested him at Euston for, what, exactly? If, as you say, it was Tumblety and he was allowed to travel to Birmingham and back why was he arrested? The illogic of all of this is jaw dropping.

Wolf.

[mariab]

If I could be allowed a super short highjack: Has anyone ever attempted researching William Pinkerton and SY chief inspector John Shore or inspector Jarvis allegedly visiting Pinkerton in Chicago in the fall/winter of 1888 from Chicago?