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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
    I do think, though, that if a suspect's hair was found with the remains of three or more victims, that would have to be seen as proof beyond reasonable doubt. It would close the case for me anyway.

    Regards, Bridewell.
    Considering these bodies, perhaps excluding that of Mary Kelly, would all be washed before, during or after, the autopsy, any hairs found on their bodies (hypothetically), might belong to a doctor, mortuary attendent or funeral director.

    Regards, Jon S.
    Regards, Jon S.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
      Considering these bodies, perhaps excluding that of Mary Kelly, would all be washed before, during or after, the autopsy, any hairs found on their bodies (hypothetically), might belong to a doctor, mortuary attendent or funeral director.
      Small hair fibers can be very difficult to extricate from an object once they become enmeshed in them. If they can stay with an object through a modern tumbling washing machine, it seems reasonable to believe they could survive hand-washings, especially since one would expect the hand-washings of the corpses to have been done with expedience and not with fine care in mind.

      Mary Kelly would be the victim most likely to harbor loose hairs given the amount of time and negative attention the Ripper gave to her.

      A piece of hair in the same ballpark color-wise as the hair of a victim would not have been noticed or specifically removed by anyone.
      “When a major serial killer case is finally solved and all the paperwork completed, police are sometimes amazed at how obvious the killer was and how they were unable to see what was right before their noses.” —Robert D. Keppel and William J. Birnes, The Psychology of Serial Killer Investigations

      William Bury, Victorian Murderer
      http://www.williambury.org

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Fleetwood Mac View Post
        I personally feel he was under the police radar at some point...even if tentatively questioned.....but not one of the main suspects.
        There could be something in the statements of witnesses...police...etc...that seem innocous....but could be the answer...wouldn't take much.
        This wouldn't surprise me in the least. Wouldn't it be neat if someone were to take the time to catalog every man whose name appeared in police files (the Companion could be mined) or contemporary press reports. Then we could attempt to track people on this list through the census etc. and see if any interesting characters emerge.

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by clark2710 View Post
          I've been giving this thought and this is the question that I've come up with. I apologize if this has been posted before and I hope it hasn't. What would it take to solve this crime where all Ripperologists are happy? Is this even Possible? I mean I've seen documentaries that have taken the available evidence and narrowed down where he likely lived and the only reason that they don't know who lived where is due to the incompletion of records at the time, if you all wish a link some I could find them ....
          What i'm trying to ask is with all of this would it be possible to solve this crime to everyone's satisfaction?
          I for one would like any link you might have to this information.

          As to whether or not it could satisfy all of the people? Nothing satisfies all of the people, you can please some of the people most of the time, and most of the people some of the time.

          Your Humble Servant
          Darrel Derek Stieben
          It is not in the heart that hate begins but in the mind of those that seek the revenge of creation. Darrel Derek Stieben

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
            Considering these bodies, perhaps excluding that of Mary Kelly, would all be washed before, during or after, the autopsy, any hairs found on their bodies (hypothetically), might belong to a doctor, mortuary attendent or funeral director.
            There's another possibility here for which the washing of the corpses would not pose an obstacle. Think about Mary Kelly in particular, whose insides were on the outside all over the place. If the Ripper dropped a couple of tiny bits of hair onto her, it's very possible they landed on something sticky and were trapped inside her body when she was sewn up. Any search for fibers would need to involve reopening the bodies.
            “When a major serial killer case is finally solved and all the paperwork completed, police are sometimes amazed at how obvious the killer was and how they were unable to see what was right before their noses.” —Robert D. Keppel and William J. Birnes, The Psychology of Serial Killer Investigations

            William Bury, Victorian Murderer
            http://www.williambury.org

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            • #21
              Originally posted by clark2710 View Post
              I've been giving this thought and this is the question that I've come up with. I apologize if this has been posted before and I hope it hasn't. What would it take to solve this crime where all Ripperologists are happy? Is this even Possible? I mean I've seen documentaries that have taken the available evidence and narrowed down where he likely lived and the only reason that they don't know who lived where is due to the incompletion of records at the time, if you all wish a link some I could find them ....
              What i'm trying to ask is with all of this would it be possible to solve this crime to everyone's satisfaction?
              No. That doesnt mean anyone is going to toss in the towel though.
              Welcome aboard.

              Best regards,

              Mike R

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              • #22
                Michael

                Originally posted by Michael W Richards View Post
                No. That doesnt mean anyone is going to toss in the towel though.
                In Blighty we throw in the towel, for obvious reasons ;-)

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                • #23
                  I am loath to inject a note of common sense in here, but the bodies have been in the earth for about 124 years, in nearly every instance in a common or pauper's grave which means other bodies would have been buried on top of or underneath them. The location of several are only known in general terms. Easily biodegradable matter like stray hairs will be long gone. You would be lucky to accurately identify any bones relating to victims, although as some of the victims had children a DNA link would be possible.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Lechmere View Post
                    Easily biodegradable matter like stray hairs will be long gone.
                    Maybe, maybe not. Bolivar died in 1830 and his body was exhumed in 2010. Hair was present. (Source: "Venezuela Opens Bolivar's Tomb to Examine Remains.")

                    The possibility of recovering something useful is remote, but I don't think we can completely rule it out.
                    “When a major serial killer case is finally solved and all the paperwork completed, police are sometimes amazed at how obvious the killer was and how they were unable to see what was right before their noses.” —Robert D. Keppel and William J. Birnes, The Psychology of Serial Killer Investigations

                    William Bury, Victorian Murderer
                    http://www.williambury.org

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                    • #25
                      Is the exact site of Mary Kelly's grave known; paupers or otherwise?

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