Isenschmid(t) Records: Part 2

[D'Onston]

Hey Lynn, I don't think that the mind(s) behind the "Protocols" were interested in anything but encouraging pogroms against the Jews in Russia in order to take the focus off the totaly bankrupt policies of the last Zarist Gov't.

The group within the Okhrana that made sure that copies of the forgery would appear on the desks of all major players in state departments around the world certainly had the ability to orchestrate something like the "double event"; however, I can't see them bothering as they had more important damage control projects within the Russian kingdom on their minds.

Please do check-out Cohn when you find the time.

All Best Wishes, Mike

[lynn cates]

Paris Okhrana

Hello D'Onston. Thanks.

I'm not too sure that the Paris branch of the Okhrana would be concerned with Russia's internal affairs. They were delegated to keep an eye on Russia's enemies located externally to Mother Russia.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hey Lynn, I don't think that the mind(s) behind the "Protocols" were interested in anything but encouraging pogroms against the Jews in Russia in order to take the focus off the totaly bankrupt policies of the last Zarist Gov't.

The group within the Okhrana that made sure that copies of the forgery would appear on the desks of all major players in state departments around the world certainly had the ability to orchestrate something like the "double event"; however, I can't see them bothering as they had more important damage control projects within the Russian kingdom on their minds.

Please do check-out Cohn when you find the time.

All Best Wishes, Mike

That was gonna be my take on it too. Internal Russian affairs were the main focus.

As for could the "author" of protocols organise the double event, who the heck knows?

Ian Fleming could write a good yarn, but other than being a mid level cog in "operation mincemeat" he was hardly known for real world counter-intelligence abilities.

[lynn cates]

Paris Branch

Hello Jason.

"Internal Russian affairs were the main focus."

But of whom? Certainly not their Paris Branch which concentrated on EXTERNAL affairs.

Cheers.
LC

[jason_c]

Hello Jason.

"Internal Russian affairs were the main focus."

But of whom? Certainly not their Paris Branch which concentrated on EXTERNAL affairs.

Cheers.
LC

External enemies of the Russian state you mean? Of which Paris was the most serious. The double event would have been an outstanding achievement with only a couple of weeks planning. Especially impressive carrying it out in London.

Sorry, count me out.

Probably posted elsewhere, but heres an excellent link

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...ce/5474-1.html

[lynn cates]

igitur

Hello Jason.

"External enemies of the Russian state you mean?"

Indeed.

"Of which Paris was the most serious."

Correct. But in mid 1888, many of these "dangerous" people were congregating in east London.

"The double event would have been an outstanding achievement with only a couple of weeks planning. Especially impressive carrying it out in London."

Again, correct. That is why I am so keen to identify "friends" to whom Rachkovski or Milevsky might have applied for help.

"Sorry, count me out."

No need to be sorry. You are an adult and must make up your own mind. If you are happy with the current FBI "analysis" I would urge you to stay the course.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Holloway and Leather Apron

Hello All. Oops, look like I missed this one.

Eltham road Holloway? Try Elthorn road. This is from "The Echo" September 10, 1888. Notice that this return "home" was the same day as the Chapman murder. I have often wondered why Isenschmid was denounced on the 11th. This story may help explain that.

By the way, if you look at Mary's deposition to Thicke, she notes that he returned home whilst she was gone, right around the first of September. He had taken some fresh clothing then.

A change of clothes September 1 and a visit September 8. Glad he favoured clean clothing.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

I can report that Tower Hamlets Local History Library do not hold any medical records relating to Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum nor any papers owned by Dr Mickle.
They have a couple of interesting books.

'The Trade in Lunacy' by William Parry-Jones is an account of the mad house ‘farming’ business. Local and central government would ‘farm out’ its lunatics to the private sector, at least until the 1850s, thereafter the public sector took on a greater role.
There were a number of outcries over mistreatment, brutality and poor conditions where the well being of the patients came second to profit – that has a familiar ring to it and a similar situation exists today in old people’s homes.

By 1850 half of the country’s licensed private mad houses were in East London – the bigger merchant’s houses had become unfashionable and were converted and there was a ready supply of lunatics and people to work there.

There was a bad brutality case in Grove Hall in 1845. It opened in 1844 and was owned by Edward Bias or Byas and was one of the more successful and longer lasting private houses. It’s private status is clearly why the papers haven’t survived.
In 1859 out of 359 people confined, 173 were paupers paid from the public purse and sent by local Boards of Guardians
In 1860 it houses 118 military lunatics at the expense of the central government
In 1870 it was licensed for 452 patients
Someone called Alonzo Stocker became the Medical Superintendent in 1854 and he considerably raised the standards of care.

There is another work by Elaine Murphy (East London and the City Health Authority, 81 Commercial Road, London E1 1RD) called 'Mad Farming in the Metropolis', published in 2001. I will reproduce a few excerpts about Grove Hall in due course. I am fairly sure she checked all the available sources for extra information about Grove Hall but she may know a bit more.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Lechmere. Thanks.

Pity.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

One other possible lead as to where the records may have ended up – it would seem that some stuff was taken to Finland for some obscure reason.
Also on whose authority was Isenschmidt to Grove Hall – the Police or his Board of Guardians. Who picked up the tab? Wasn’t he from Islington, so might there be a record there?

[lynn cates]

Slow down, you're movin' too fast . . .

Hello Lechmere. Yes, after he left the Holloway police station he was sent to the Islington workhouse infirmary; and, almost immediately to Grove Hall.

What I cannot understand is that he was not arrested until 10 PM; but, he wound up at Grove Hall same day. What was the rush?

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

Within two hours he was arrested, sent to the Islington Workhouse and then transferred to Grove Hall?
It would have taken the best part of two hours to get to Grove Hall.

Maybe there was no room at Islington.
Maybe it was at the charge of the police and not the Board of Guardians - Grove Hall often took such cases.
Have you got the Islington records for his brief admission?

Maybe the Islington Workhouse Infirmary wasn't very secure. They were going on the basis that he was 'Leather Apron' after all.

Maybe they chose Grove Hall as it was at least in the East End. But they could have waited.
Maybe Islington had a regular arrangement for dangerous lunatics to always send them to Grove Hall. But again could have waited.
I think it must be that they didn't have a secure enough facility.

[lynn cates]

oops

Hello Lechmere. Oops. It was the night before, at 10, that Cowan and Crabb gave information about him.

But now the records show that, according to Helson, a telegram received at 6:35 next morning placed him in Holloway detained. Thick was then sent by Abberline to Holloway. In the meantime, JI was sent on to Islington and then to Grove Hall.

I regret the error. This was fast, but perhaps not so fast as I had thought.

Cheers.
LC

[Lechmere]

So has anyone looked for an admission and discharge from Islington?
And if he was in Grove Hall via Islington he may well have technically been under the control or supervision of Islington?

[lynn cates]

Chris

Hello Lechmere. Well, I have some of those. They have been sent to Chris Phillips for transcription.

Stay tuned.

Cheers.
LC