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  • #61
    ID

    Hello Jason.

    "Kosminski was ID'd by a witness. JI, wasn't."

    Indeed? This is great news. Can you tell me whom that witness was?

    You are right that JI was not IDed. Perhaps that's because Dr. W. Julius Mickle forbade it.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #62
      Hello Lynn,

      However, you are forgetting the biggest thing in evidence against his candidacy, most killers are not psychopaths.
      Washington Irving:

      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

      Stratford-on-Avon

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      • #63
        psychopath

        Hello Corey. Perhaps we should define psychopath? When I studied psychology (many years ago) it was used as the equivalent of the modern "sociopath." Some use the word as a catch all for "psychotic."

        There is little doubt in my mind that JI was paranoid schizophrenic. I'm sure I don't need to convince you that one suffering from this malady can, and sometimes does, kill.

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • #64
          Hello Lynn,

          Yes, Jacob Isenschmid was a psychopath, however, you are right, it is possible. As is everything. I think I have had my bit of arguing today

          Have a good evening my friend,

          Corey

          p.s Psychopath is psychosis, which sociopath is personality.
          Washington Irving:

          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

          Stratford-on-Avon

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          • #65
            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
            Hello Jason.

            "Kosminski was ID'd by a witness. JI, wasn't."

            Indeed? This is great news. Can you tell me whom that witness was?

            You are right that JI was not IDed. Perhaps that's because Dr. W. Julius Mickle forbade it.

            Cheers.
            LC
            Who it was is not important. The fact that 2 top police officials reported it makes Kosminski a far better suspect than all the other violent lunatics out there.

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            • #66
              psychopath

              Hello Corey. Thanks, this helps. You are using it in the second sense.

              As far as sociopathy goes, many sociopaths do not kill. But I could never become a partner of one (heh-heh).

              Most psychotics, likewise. Of course ANY form of paranoia is potentially dangerous and should be treated. But I am preaching to the choir.

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • #67
                police

                Hello Jason.

                "Who it was is not important."

                I should think it is VERY important. Then one can assess the reliability of the witness.

                "The fact that 2 top police officials reported it makes Kosminski a far better suspect than all the other violent lunatics out there."

                Perhaps, given you wish not to discuss the witness, you could discuss these 2 top officials? The only 2 of which we are aware who even mention his name are:

                1. Swanson.

                2. Sir MLM.

                Of these 2, the latter dismisses him in favour of Druitt. The former (in the marginalia) never explicitly endorses him, but rather seems to disambiguate the story of his candidacy. (Make of that what you will.)

                By the way, where is the evidence that AK was violent? I have yet to see that.

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • #68
                  Actually Lynn, many more sociopaths then psychopaths kill, and this has been proven with statistics, Ted Bundy, Harold Shipman, Neil Creme, all were sociopaths, and me thinks it is possible that Peter Kurten and Peter Sutcliffe were too, however they likely lied to obtain the ruling of insanity.

                  This is what makes killers hard to catch, the fact that they are sociopathic, and have clear thinking. A sociopaths main factoid is they feel no remorse, no guilt, thus they are the true monsters, not psychopaths, who are a harm more to themselves than anything else. Yet if Jacob Isenschmid was the killer, it fits the profile of a psychopathic killer, who is usually always caught, and early.

                  Yours truly,

                  Corey
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #69
                    Plus pyschopaths are usually disorganised killers, JtR showed traits of organisation, he had a method.

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                    • #70
                      agree

                      Hello Corey.

                      "A sociopath's main factoid is they feel no remorse, no guilt, thus they are the true monsters, not psychopaths"

                      I could not agree more. They scare the devil out of me.

                      When I studied them in psych, it was said that, when cornered (on a less serious charge), they would OVER confess. In other words, they could feign guilt and humility and "grovel" more that a true penitent.

                      Is that still the theory? It is over 30 years since I studied abnormal psych.

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • #71
                        method

                        Hello Garza.

                        "JtR showed traits of organisation, he had a method"

                        But that method seemed to change drastically over the last 3 canonical killings.

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • #72
                          Hello Lynn,

                          Well in my studies of narcissism, a sociopathic disorder, it has been observed that they are pathalogical liers. Say if Bundy was approached and asked where he was last night, even if he was home watching television, he would lie. They are extreamily careful not to be caught.

                          Bundy even escaped prison to commit more murders, even though they had pretty much figured who he was.

                          This is the horror of a sociopath.

                          A scary example is Hanible Lector.

                          Corey
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                          • #73
                            Hello Lynn,

                            I would argue the opposite, rather his method evolved naturally. In the direction we would expect to see, and if any one noticed this, and if Isenschmid was the killer, and whoever followed adhered to the pattern, well they must have been a genious.
                            Washington Irving:

                            "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                            Stratford-on-Avon

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                              Hello Garza.

                              "JtR showed traits of organisation, he had a method"

                              But that method seemed to change drastically over the last 3 canonical killings.

                              Cheers.
                              LC
                              Serial killers have been known to change their MO, look at Ted Bundy or the Yorkshire Ripper for example. They will change if they find a better way.

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                              • #75
                                I wonder, did anybody really pay attention to anything I wrote in my essay
                                Washington Irving:

                                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                Stratford-on-Avon

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