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  • #31
    arrest

    Hello All. Here is the account of his arrest. Note the incorrect nationality.

    This is the first account I've seen that hints at his change of wardrobe. The story is likely from Mrs. Isenschmid who had indicated that he had visited home and taken away some fresh clothes. The dates of his visits coincide with the dates of the slayings.

    Cheers.
    LC
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    • #32
      accent story

      Hello All. We've all seen and heard the story about the man with the foreign accent. I have often wondered where it originated.

      Perhaps the next post will provide a hint.

      Cheers.
      LC
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      • #33
        origin

        Hello All. As I stated above, this may provide a link to the man with the foreign accent.

        Trying to seduce a prostitute, using shiny trinkets, luring her into 29 Hanbury st.
        All this just a few hours before Annie Chapman's death.

        Fascinating!

        Cheers.
        LC
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        • #34
          The two exerpts above from the DailyTelegraph September 10th and the Times September 11th, would appear to be journalistic inventions that were later clarified by the deposition of Amelia Richardson on September 12th. The man in the passage wasn't spotted on the 8th of September, but actually a month earlier -- sleeping on the stairs by her tenant, Mrs. Thompson.

          See Sugden's chapter, "The Man in the Passage and Other Chapman Murder Myths" for an effective analysis of this story.

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          • #35
            Lloyd's

            Hello Scott. Actually, this is from Lloyd's, not the Daily Telegraph.

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • #36
              Sugden

              Hello Scott. I just checked Sugden again. The report from a month earlier was off by over an hour.

              There is no basis for Sugden's equating these 2 incidents, except perhaps, point of view.

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • #37
                I'm quite sure there were lots of men with foreign accents in London in 1881.

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                • #38
                  Goodbye! Lynn

                  Hello

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                  • #39
                    I think Isenschmid is an interesting character in the Jack the Ripper saga, but not because I think he committed any of the murders e.g. why would he be in Bucks Row – quite a way from the Commerical Street area of which he may have had some experience.
                    I think Isenschmid’s significance is that as the police regarded him as their prime suspect and he seemed to fit the bill as Leather Apron, the investigation fixated on him until the double event, for which he obviously had a water tight alibi as he was in the Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum.
                    I think the police investigation was thrown completely off and skewed by the Isenschmid fixation and then they couldn’t cope with the hysteria following the double event.
                    It is also interesting that the police couldn’t over rule the doctor who wouldn’t let them question or ID Isenschmid. If this had happened promptly then the police could have got their investigation back on track. In that period I would have not imagined that the well being of a ‘lunatic’ would override the requirements of the police.
                    There has previously been some dispute as to whether the Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum was the same as the Fairfield Road Asylum. However it is clear that the Bow Infirmary Asylum, Fairfield Road is just a colloquial way of referring to the Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum. Grove Hall being just off Fairfield Road, in Bow.
                    Bow Bus Garage occupies the front garden of the Asylum. A side garden is now Grove Hall Park. The main building lay across what is now Wrexham Road, and a couple of other streets of Edwardian houses. Grove Hall being demolished in 1909.
                    I used to live in Wrexham Road and my house must have been built slap bang on top of the foundations (although I only realised this recently). Here’s a snowy picture of Wrexham Road today (looking west towards Fairfield Road). The building was at right angles to the road, roughly I think on the line of the cream coloured houses.
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                    • #40
                      Isenschmidt

                      Great photos and splendid research all! One question, why isn't ISenscmidt listed as a suspect/ is there compelling evidence that keeps his name off the list? Neil
                      Neil "Those who forget History are doomed to repeat it." - Santayana

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                      • #41
                        Hello Yankee,

                        He was apprehended before the murder of Elizabeth Stride.
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • #42
                          ruled out

                          Hello Corey. Quite right. Hence Liz, Kate and MJ are right out as JI's victims.

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • #43
                            Hello Lynn,

                            Indeed my friend, which only means, if true, Jack the Ripper's C5 is out of here. If true, that is.

                            Corey

                            p.s Rip 118 is out next week Lynn.
                            Washington Irving:

                            "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                            Stratford-on-Avon

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                            • #44
                              article

                              Hello Corey. Then I shall look forward to your article on this chap!

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • #45
                                Hello Lynn,

                                I must say now, though, it details nothing about his candidacy, only his mentality.

                                Have a good evening,

                                Corey
                                Washington Irving:

                                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                Stratford-on-Avon

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