Face of the Ripper?

[belinda]

I've seen that programme and I wasn't impressed with any of it. I doubt if that bears any resemblance to Jack.


However I now really want to see Flash Gordon

Flash ah aaaahhh

[Adam Went]

I thought that there was some conjecture over whether it was even really Eddowes shawl anyway? Or am I confusing it with something else?

Either way, very difficult to extract DNA from something which has been exposed to all sorts of foreign contact and contamination for the last 120 years....which wouldn't have helped their attempts.

So yes, I agree, not exactly sure what the point of their exercise was.....even if they did try and match it to some of the suspects, you would need permission for that, plus some of the suspects were cremated or disappeared off the face of the earth.

Yet more proof that you cannot, or should not, apply modern forensic science to a 120 year old case....

Cheers,
Adam.

[Ben]

Slightly off-topic, but a minor clarification might be in order with regard to Klosowski. Levishon's statement about his appearance was in direct response to a question concerning Klosowski's time in Tottenham High Road in 1894: "He was la di da then" was the quote attributed to Levishon, the obvious implication being that Klosowski's appearance had changed to some degree since 1888. He then observed that he "he has not changed a bit", i.e. since 1894.

You'll occasionally spot the oddly extended quote that he hadn't changed "since he came to England" but you certainly won't find it in the original transcripts.

Best regards,
Ben

[clair]

Yet more proof that you cannot, or should not, apply modern forensic science to a 120 year old case....

Weren't the children of the last Tsar identified by comparing DNA from bones thought to be theirs with that of living relatives?

[j.r-ahde]

Hello clair!

The thing is, that the researchers knew, what to look for in the case of the Tsar and his family!

What it comes to the face of the Ripper, the man in the first post could also be Joe Barnett!

But I have to say; in general, they really could be anybody's face from the LVP London!

All the best
Jukka

[clair]

Hi Jukka,
They did know what to look for in the Romanov case, but I was responding generally to Adam's point about the use of modern forensics on old cases.

Without underestimating the difficulties in the case of JtR, it's still not completely impossible that DNA recovered from the shawl which supposedly belonged to Eddowes could be compared with that from the main suspects, or living relatives.

Ignoring the mustache, I personally can't see any resemblance to Barnett - the eyes, cheekbones, chin are all wrong !

[Madam Red]

I thought that there was some conjecture over whether it was even really Eddowes shawl anyway? Or am I confusing it with something else?

That's my inquiry as well. Was it real? Where did they attain it? And where is it now?

I remember this documentary very well, although the last time I saw it was when I was little. At the time, I was impressed with it, but now I'm seeing the anvil-sized flaws.


Getting back to the discussion about "Jack's" face, I heard there was another (supposed) police sketch based from witness statements. It was on the "Jack the Ripper in America" documentary and looked very similiar to this computer sketch. They were saying how it looked extremely similiar to a picture of a young James Kelly.

Then again, since this was the average look of a 1888 Londoner, the sketch can be made to match any subject of your choosing. So while this could be the face of Jack the Ripper, it doesn't help us in the least.

[SaraCarter33]

you are absolutely right clair.

[clair]

Here's a link to the documentary: Jack the Ripper The First Serial Killer

[GregBaron]

Face......

These sort of things are intriguing but as others have said....of little value.........I certainly don't see a carroty mustache or blotchy face so that eyewitness has been disregarded.......this could resemble Druitt a bit I suppose.......mostly just the dark coloring..........really, it appears to me JTR was either an ugly little stocky ginger Irishman or a swarthy Jew......no offense intended here to either Irish or Jew....just an observation from the witnesses..............I believe the Jacob Levy character a strong candidate but I guess no one knows what he looked like...I'm also guessing that when someone said Jewish looking they meant 'dark eyes and dark hair'...possibly a semitic nose....I'm here assuming these working class blokes didn't wear the curls and caps of Orthodoxy...........how many butchers, porters or tailors fit this description in East London 1888......I bet a bunch...........

GBS

[Madam Red]

Here's a link to the documentary: Jack the Ripper The First Serial Killer

Thanks, clair.

[clair]

You're welcome MR, but I just noticed Part 2 seems to be missing. How annoying.

[belinda]

The Romanov case is extremely complicated.You might find this interesting

http://www.thefateoftheromanovs.com/

[clair]

Full Documentary Link

Thanks for the link, Belinda.

Meanwhile, the full documentary can be viewed on youtube: JACK THE RIPPER: THE FIRST SERIAL KILLER

[SaraCarter33]

Ya know something some of you have some of the same interest's as i do.