Killer description and Suspect appearance

[DVV]

What we lack is a serious study on JtP (Jack the Pipeman).

Amitiés,
David

[Jeff Leahy]

Would this be the same 'Pipeman' possibly interviewed by the police?

Pirate

[DVV]

Definitely, Jeff.
Then remains to find solid evidence of the interview having taken place.

Amitiés,
David

[Jeff Leahy]

must be that trouble maker Begg again

[Tom_Wescott]

Pipeman

If Pipeman were interviewed by the police between Sept. 30th and Oct. 19th, when Swanson wrote his report, then this interview was done without the knowledge of Anderson, Swanson, Home Office, and Inspector Abberline, who would almost have certainly conducted such an interview himself. Proof of this is in how as late as Oct. 23rd, Pipeman was being referred to as the 'alleged accomplice' of BS Man and the fact that men named 'Lipski' were still being sought, in the off-chance that Pipeman's name was Lipski. Obviously, none of this would have been the case had Pipeman's identity been known to police.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jonathan H]

Focussing on just this source, Schwartz's interview by 'The Star' using an interpreter, he describes an alleged second man with a knife [not a pipe] and this man in certain features [eg. taller, thinner, possibly a Gentile with a 'red moustache' which echoes Lawende's description of youngish man with a 'fair moustache'] is a better fit for 'Jack the Sailor' than the rotund figure with the deerstalker giving himself away by assaulting a victim in front of witnesses. Whereas the younger man 'chivalrously' coming to her rescue, scaring off witnesses and then possibly being her killer is arguably a better fit for the same man on the night of the 'Double Event' who probably killed Eddowes.

Or, I'm misunderstanding something ...

[Natalie Severn]

Jonathan,
Lawende"s man"s height was put at 5ft 7 ins.Pipeman"s height was put at 5ft 11 ins.Thats quite a difference.
Best
Norma

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Nats and Jonathan,

Height is one of the easiest things to mistake, especially in the circumstances that Lawende and co. were in. If the man were leaning down and into his conversation with Eddowes, he would not have appeared so tall. Having said that, I think the Star description of Knifeman is more different than Lawende than Swanson's. Keep in mind that 'appearance of a sailor' does not mean he's wearing a sailor's uniform, like white suit with hat and stripes, etc.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Tom ,
Well I am always seeing Lawende"s man as just a bit taller than Kate Eddowes who was barely five foot and slightly built.So a man who actually was 5ft 11ins as Schwartz described would have towered above her rather than appeared just a bit taller,even if stooping down to have his chest patted by Kate [who was probably checking out his wallet!]
But what may have happened is that Schwartz"s first glimpse of pipeman may have coincided with pipeman standing on the step of the alehouse, and so appearing taller than he was.
Best
Norma

[DVV]

Exactly, Tom.
It was just about the scarf, said of the type a sailor would wear - and even, it must have been merely about the way it was knotted/worn.

Amitiés,
David

[Trevor Marriott]

Exactly, Tom.
It was just about the scarf, said of the type a sailor would wear - and even, it must have been merely about the way it was knotted/worn.

Amitiés,
David

Perhaps he was in fact a sailor it seems i am the only one to suggest this. But why does everyone seem to want to keep on about the jewish angle.

Well if you cant beat them join them so i would suggest he was a jewish sailor who sailed on the SS Oyvez.

[Supe]

Trev,
Perhaps he was in fact a sailor it seems i am the only one to suggest this.

Uhm, well, Edward Knight Larkins did get there 121 years earlier.

Don.

[Jeff Leahy]

Perhaps he was in fact a sailor it seems i am the only one to suggest this. But why does everyone seem to want to keep on about the jewish angle.:

Possibly because why the rest of you are inventing complicated conspiracies and trying to knock square pegs into round holes some people just think that the most obvious and simple solution is that Swanson and Anderson very simply spoke the truth.

And the simple solution is that both Schwartz and Lawende saw the same man on the night of the double event.

Pirate

[DVV]

Perhaps he was in fact a sailor it seems i am the only one to suggest this. But why does everyone seem to want to keep on about the jewish angle.

Hi Trevor,

I too like sailor suspects.
But what Lawende said doesnt mean he was - nor the contrary, of course.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

And the simple solution is that both Schwartz and Lawende saw the same man on the night of the double event.

Pirate

Yes, and neither Lawende nor Schwartz said the man was Jewish-looking, witch is a marked difference with Long (who merely saw the man's back) and Hutch (who saw nothing).

Amitiés,
David