cop the ripper? (a revived thread)

[Trevor Marriott]

[QUOTE=Monty;119071]Trevor,

I am calm.

Suggest you read the testimonies of Brown, Collard and Long.

I have read the testimonies and i would suggest you read my post and you would have seen that at no time have i suggested Long was the killer

My question would be why?

The answer to this is also in my post
If Long did murder her why didnt he take the apron then?

Answer as above
If he didnt why in the first place?

However, the testimonies kinda put that theory to bed.

No they dont please try to engage your brain before replying next time

[Monty]

Trevor,

I am calm.

Suggest you read the testimonies of Brown, Collard and Long.

My question would be why?

If Long did murder her why didnt he take the apron then?

If he didnt why in the first place?

However, the testimonies kinda put that theory to bed.

Monty

[mattwill]

Wow, this is weird. I've been thinking about this for a couple of days now. That is the Ripper possibly being a cop, or at least the killer of Emma Smith.

I'm not sure what they carried back then, possibly a variant on the nightstick, but could it have been the unknown object inserted into Smith's "parts"?

If so, then as some people think on these boards, she would have a reason to lie about her attack being three thugs and not the sick individual who really did it. just a thought, I don't ascribe totally to it.

[Supe]

Trev,

What if Pc Long wanted to gain some recognition with his superiors in this murder. Could he have gone to the mortuary and cut it from the apron piece and then said he had found it at Goulston St. ?

But then wouldn't he have had to contend with all the attendants and students seeking to excise her womb and kidney? Must have been quite a line waiting to get at her.

Don.

[Monty]

Eddowes was wearing whilst at Bishopsgate nick Simon.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

This is getting silly now calm down.

Eddowes had a piece of her apron piece cut or torn off "fact"

That piece according to Pc Long was found in Goulston st "fact"

I am merely offering another possible explanation regarding the apron piece.

There are many reported cases of misconduct by police officers on duty.

But of course if you are one of those who does beleives the killer left the apron piece than of course you will reject the idea. Bu as i said someone cut or tore it off. I merely raised it for it to be discussed if anyone feels inclined.

Its no more of a wild theory than the killer cuting it off to take away the organs in or to wipe his hands.

[DVV]

Would a whitechapel prostitute feel safe with a policeman?

An allegation was made via letter claiming Sgt Thick or "johnny upright" to be the ripper

Hi Harry Poland,

It has also been suggested that the murderer was disguised as a policeman (letter sent to the City Police, 2 October 1888).

Others have accused PC Watkins (15 October) or even a police officer (5 October).


Amitiés,
David

[Simon Wood]

Hi Trevor,

Quite possible except for the fact that according to the City Police's inventory of Eddowes' clothing she wasn't wearing an apron. Check it out in the Ultimate JtR Companion.

The Times, October 1st 1888—

"She [Eddowes] wore a pair of men's laced-boots; and a piece of old white coarse apron and a piece of riband were tied loosely around the neck."

INQUEST REPORTS, FILED WITH THE CORPORATION OF LONDON RECORDS OFFICE—

[Inspector Collard (City)] "I produce a portion of the apron which deceased was apparently wearing which had been cut through and was found outside her dress."

You cannot "apparently" wear an apron. You either do or you don't.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Trevor,

I suspect youre joshing right?

You must be.

Monty

[The Grave Maurice]

The copper-as-Jack theory has always had a certain appeal. He could approach the victims with a: "Allo-allo-allo, what are yer doin' out at this time o'night, my girl? Since Jack's about, I'd better see yer safely 'ome" sort of thing. Were he found nearby with blood on his uniform, he could say that he had just discovered the body.

It works well and has been used in a couple of novels. The difficulty comes with the murders being committed on so many different beats. He could explain being on his own patch, but not someone else's.

[Trevor Marriott]

Does anyone know the distance and walking time from Goulston St to Golden lane mortuary.

Also the time when it was first noticed a piece was missing from the apron.

Finally the beat that Pc Long was on that night

I would sugggest as i have done before that the apron piece was not taken and used by the killer. And my other theory being rejected. Then Pc Long has to come under scrutiny no for the killing but for other reasons.

Remeber Dc halse stated he was in the area at around 2.20 am but he never saw Pc Long.

It is a fact that Eddowes body was left outside the mortuary. What if Pc Long wanted to gain some recognition with his superiors in this murder. Could he have gone to the mortuary and cut it from the apron piece and then said he had found it at Goulston St. ? Food for thought, because its for sure as it has been identified as coming from Edowes apron someone cut/tore it off.

"The Truth is out there"

[Monty]

PC Edward Watkins

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

A policeman... hmmmm...possibly...but what about...

Someone impersonating a policeman?

Just thinking out loud...

best wishes

Phil

[protohistorian]

Here is another one Harry. If we say jack was cop, we need to ask in or out of uniform? If in uniform, then he would be an authority figure strolling about with blood on him with the very real possibility that someone might run up and say "I have a problem" and notice his condition. If not in uniform we are confronted with a functional mind that is killing, and the problem becomes why does he take suck jackass risks in venues and times? Respectfully Dave

[ianincleveland]

Ive often thought JTR was a policeman,one of the reasons being Eddowes was killed on City police territory,thereby we had two forces investigating the murders.This created confusion and perhaps a little competition.

Also a policeman would know the other polices beat times,and probably rest points etc.Hed be up to date on any new developments in the investigation too.

Ive often thought JTR wasnt that lucky each time and that he had some knowledge to not get caught