cop the ripper? (a revived thread)

[Trevor Marriott]

Oh, yes, there were objections, Trevor...

GM may well be right, Eddowes, aged 46, was probably a post-menopausal woman. Does your research take this into account ?

Already answered in another post
Secondly, had it been menstruation blood, it would hardly have been taken for "normal" blood (sorry for my poor English). The piece of apron has been carefully examined, I think.

[B]Well i am sure if the doctors never ever considered it just like they never considered checking Eddowes abdomewn at the crime scene knowing that previous victim had suposedly had organs removed at another crime scene. Now please dont say they didnt have enough light to do that because we are also led to beleive there was enough light in Mitre SQuare or the killer to perform major surgery[/B]Now can I quote you ?

"The immediate area was no doubt used as a short cut from one part of Whitechapel to another and could have been used by Eddowes at some time that day or after her release from police custody shortly before her death."

Well if Eddowes didnt put it there and the killer did, and Pc Long didnt please enlighten us as to who did
Most posters are ready to "consider new issues", when they are plausible, but the section I've quoted is nothing but extremely wild and groundless speculation.

Amitiés,
David

Its no more wild and groundless than the suggestion that the killer cut the apron piece and removed the organs from the victims at the scene.

As far as the apron piece is concerned. he could not have taken the organs away in it. Nor could he have taken it away to wipe his hands or knife on it. So if you still beleive those facts are correct show me something that will corroborate those beliefs.

I would also suggest to bring things up to date you get hold of a copy of my second book "The Evil Within" which has an extended chapter on JTR and includes new material and photographs covering these aforementioned issues.

[Trevor Marriott]

You are in fact correct. She would have past through menopause already. Depending on the severity and length of her poor nutritional state menopause could be as much as 15 years earlier than modern western average of the age of 51. It is very unlikely indeed. Respectfully Dave

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Well i have it in part of a consutant gynecolgists statement that women up to their late 40`s are still capable of mentsruation. So you cannot say Edowes was past that st age or incapable of menstruating through poor health.

Some of you people will try every means possible whereby you try to negate new issues.

I would also suggest to bring things up to date you get hold of a copy of my secon bookd "The Evil Within" which has an extended chapter on JTR and includes new material and photographs covering these aforementioned issues.

[protohistorian]

You are in fact correct. She would have past through menopause already. Depending on the severity and length of her poor nutritional state menopause could be as much as 15 years earlier than modern western average of the age of 51. It is very unlikely indeed. Respectfully Dave

[DVV]

Oh, yes, there were objections, Trevor...

GM may well be right, Eddowes, aged 46, was probably a post-menopausal woman. Does your research take this into account ?

Secondly, had it been menstruation blood, it would hardly have been taken for "normal" blood (sorry for my poor English). The piece of apron has been carefully examined, I think.

Now can I quote you ?

"The immediate area was no doubt used as a short cut from one part of Whitechapel to another and could have been used by Eddowes at some time that day or after her release from police custody shortly before her death."

Most posters are ready to "consider new issues", when they are plausible, but the section I've quoted is nothing but extremely wild and groundless speculation.

Amitiés,
David

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

once again, all I'm saying is with all due respect.
I like the way you expose your views - "experts will disagree, but...etc". It's direct, frank, I sincerely appreciate that.

But the fact that the case is unsolved does not prompt me to accept any kind of theories. I'm not a desperado, not yet, at least...
Your apron theory is beyond me, sincerely.

Once again, menstruation blood is something different... And as The Grave Maurice said, Kate was 45, and it was in 1888....

Since your theory "revolves around matters of personal feminine hygiene" (p 164), you should give a little thought to our objections...

Amitiés,
David

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You havent mentioned any objections for me to give thoughts . i always keep an open mind an assess and evaluate all facts in a professional manner. i do not have a problem discussing with anyone matters apperatining to my investigations and research.

But what does annoy me on here is when people dismiss outright new issues and when challenged to produce anyhtign in support of their own original theories/views whatever you want to call it suddenly the silence is deafening.

I really beleive that some people do not want to consider new issues let alone accept them. Thsi is not just me other posters of late on here have voiced the same concerns. So next time when challenged either put up or shut up.

[DVV]

Hi Trevor,

once again, all I'm saying is with all due respect.
I like the way you expose your views - "experts will disagree, but...etc". It's direct, frank, I sincerely appreciate that.

But the fact that the case is unsolved does not prompt me to accept any kind of theories. I'm not a desperado, not yet, at least...
Your apron theory is beyond me, sincerely.

Once again, menstruation blood is something different... And as The Grave Maurice said, Kate was 45, and it was in 1888....

Since your theory "revolves around matters of personal feminine hygiene" (p 164), you should give a little thought to our objections...

Amitiés,
David

[Trevor Marriott]

To clarify one of my points, knickers in the bin refers to modern day women.

and staying with modern day women what would a woman do if she was on a trai from London to manchester and started to mentsruate and did have any sanitary items.

Simpe she would go into the toilet and stuff tissues etc inside her knickers to avoid soiling her clothing.

Same scenario could have applied to Eddowes

[Phil Carter]

GM,

I will open up a thread about this on General...

best wishes

Phil

[The Grave Maurice]

Is it likely that a malnourished 45-year-old would still be menstruating?
(This thread seems to be drifting off topic and I apologise for my part in that.)

[Phil Carter]

I bet many pairs of knickers have finished up in a bin or discarded before they get home.

All,

Which raises a point I would CERTAINLY like to see discussed.

I would find it AMAZING that any woman would only have ONE pair of undergarments. However poor they were. Exactly because of menstruation.

How many pairs of undergarments did MJK own? How many were found amongst her belongings? In her "home"?

best wishes

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

with all due respect, I'm afraid it is.
I like your book but must say I can't believe my eyes whenever I re-read page 165...
Btw, menstruation blood can hardly be confused with blood oozing from a wound. It's something different.

Amitiés,
David

David

The decsription of the apron piece when found is consistent with my theory. page 165 is totally accurate. The apron piece was spottted with blood, consistent with the menstruation process. Traces of faecal matter consistent with an un-hygenic prostitute having it between her legs, wet could be consistent with a drunken prostitute pissing herself when under the influence. These are facts in life and still are today but how many women out there will admit to any of the aforementioned occurring at some time either separatley or all together, albeit not having a piece of cloth between their legs but. I bet many pairs of knickers have finished up in a bin or discarded before they get home.

I know its hard for a man to accept this theory but men when pissed do wet their pants and sometime even more,

There is no mention in this context anywhere of oozing blood in connection with the apron piece, and i have no idea where you have got the open wound reference from.

In the light of my investigation casting a serious doubt about the the link between the killer and the apron piece I firmly stand by all I have writtten as being a plausible explanation for how the apron piece came to be in Goulston St. However I know i cannot prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. But for those who pour scorn and ridicule this then they are blinkered in their perception of The ripper mystery.

"The truth is still out there"

[DVV]

On this point I should mention that when giving Ripper talks I always make a point of asking the audience to volunteer explantions in relation to the apron piece. You would be surprised that without prompting the sanitary towel issue is regularly put forward. I would also say that always by females in the audience. So all you hardliners out there take note the idea is not as crazy as you would have as all beleive.

Hi Trevor,

with all due respect, I'm afraid it is.
I like your book but must say I can't believe my eyes whenever I re-read page 165...
Btw, menstruation blood can hardly be confused with blood oozing from a wound. It's something different.

Amitiés,
David

[Rob Clack]

I'd say it was roughly half an hour walk from Goulston Street to the City Mortuary and probably a couple of minutes less from Mitre Square to the City Mortuary. I don't remember Long's beat of hand but it wouldn't have been any nearer to the City Mortuary than one block to the west.
I also think it is highly unlikely that Catherine Eddowes body would have been left outside the Mortuary.



Rob

[Trevor Marriott]

There are perhaps major flaws if you dont point them out i am sure someone else will. i have merely offered it up as another explanation in relation to the apron piece, because i do not beleive it got there via the killer. If that be the case there has to another explanation seeing as some choose not to consider the sanitary towel theory.

On this point I should mention that when giving Ripper talks I always make a point of asking the audience to volunteer explantions in relation to the apron piece. You would be surprised that without prompting the sanitary towel issue is regularly put forward. I would also say that always by females in the audience. So all you hardliners out there take note the idea is not as crazy as you would have as all beleive.

No one has yet answered the following questions what beat was Pc Long on and where did it take him ?

Distance between Mitre Square and Golden Lane mortuary.?

Distance between Goulston st and Golden Square mortuary ?

Any takers ?

[Monty]

Trevor,

Try to be calm eh?

I wont point out the obvious flaw in your idea. This out of fear of having my head bitten off.

Besides, youre the murder cop....Im sure you can figure it.

Monty