Who *are* Jack the Ripper(s) ?

[Ally]

Interesting the responses. OP makes a statement that equates the Jack the Ripper murders with Lizzie Borden.

I say yes... the mysteries are equal and continue to fascinate years later.
Gareth says no... in terms of serial killing and press coverage.
Graham says no ...in terms of sociological impact.

Does this say something about what draws each of us to this case or just random BS yakking?

[Sam Flynn]

I say yes... the mysteries are equal and continue to fascinate years later.
Gareth says no... in terms of serial killing and press coverage.
Graham says no ...in terms of sociological impact.

Does this say something about what draws each of us to this case or just random BS yakking?

Perhaps not, Ally - that's an interesting point, which strikes a chord with me at least.

[Mike Covell]

I love the title of the book, I had a working title for my JTR book entitled "Jack the Ripper, Nise to meet you, to meet you knife!"

As for different rippers, there are even theories that the C5 were not 5 but maybe less with some people ruling out Mary Kelly, and others Liz Stride!

Welcome to the boards and have fun.

[Ally]

Mike,
I guess by the past tense "had a working title" you mean you realized that if you actually went through with using that title you'd be laughed off every Ripper board in existence and never be taken seriously by anyone with even a remotely scholarly approach to the case and decided to ditch the title for something less completely cheddar-like?

[Mike Covell]

Mike,
I guess by the past tense "had a working title" you mean you realized that if you actually went through with using that title you'd be laughed off every Ripper board in existence and never be taken seriously by anyone with even a remotely scholarly approach to the case and decided to ditch the title for something less completely cheddar-like?

I "Had" the title then realised you would laugh at me

[Sam Flynn]

I love the title of the book, I had a working title for my JTR book entitled "Jack the Ripper, Nise to meet you, to meet you knife!"

What about "You get nothing for a double event - not in this game!"?

[Rosey O'Ryan]

Hello Ripperites!

I'm a scholar/researcher/historian of the Lizzie Borden case and a Ripper enthusiast/crime buff who's done a little work with police as a frelance detective, mostly in the capacity of information-gathering. Lizzie Borden is to the Americans what Jack the Ripper is to you Brits, the most fascinating Victorian true crime murder mystery. Anyway, I'm not sure how familair you are with the Borden double murders, but I don't wanna take this thread off-topic. I have a question which I'd love one of my fellow Ripper enthusiasts or one of the experts to take a crack at answering...

...We all know the 5 cannonical murders, but altogether there are 8 or 9 murders which are more or less often referred to as Ripper killings but sometimes dismissed because there was no mutilation, or it happened too long after the Mary Kelly murder, or etc. But if we take all 8 killings into account, it would appear to me based on the various circumstantial evidence, that there was not just ONE "Jack the Ripper" but several, perhaps 2 or 3 altogether, probably however working independently of each other. But still. The 4 or 5 cannonical murders were probably by the same hand, but the others were likely all each done by a different guy in each case. That's at least how I see it based on what we know. What do you good peope think? Thank you for your time, and I look forward to reading any responses.

David Rehak
author of "Did Lizzie Borden Axe For It?"

Well Mr Rehak, what do you think about the number of victims? We have posters who put the number of victims as much as thirteen though some say fourteen. Personally I would say the answer was 42.
Rosey :-)

[Celesta]

Well Mr Rehak, what do you think about the number of victims? We have posters who put the number of victims as much as thirteen though some say fourteen. Personally I would say the answer was 42.
Rosey :-)

Hmmm, 42. That answer has a Universal ring to it.

[perrymason]

Hi Dave,

Im pleased to see a new poster discuss the fact that there were likely a few killers involved in the 10 or 11 potential Ripper Victims, and possibly within the Canonical Group of 5 as well.

Many arguments for the inclusion of one victim or another within the Canon to Jacks list, cite the "fact" that a serial madman was on the loose and therefore should be considered as the killer of the woman in question by her throat cut, or her occupation, or by the deserted location....or all three.

Well....Jack didnt kill Ada apparently, nor Emma, unless he was a quartet....he wasnt thought to have killed Martha, or the Torso discovered in early October. Nor was he thought to have killed Alice McKenzie, nor the next Torso, nor Coles.

It would seem that there were indeed other killers of the same kinds of women, in similar circumstances, and with similar, sometimes with more comprehensive, horrific mutilations. During the same "Ripper" period.

The point is a valid one David, regardless of the banter.

Best regards.

[CraigInTwinCities]

p.s. And just to answer that thing about the title of my Lizzie Borden book, it's a play on words: axe/ask. Make of it what you will. There are several valid interprettations.

Dave,

Sorry, no. There are not "several valid interpretations" of your title. There is only one.

To wit: "I am not a serious researcher and I take the crime I am writing about so lightly as to have no respect for anyone associated with it, or anyone foolish enough to buy such juvenile drivel, so I therefore feel free to resort to playground jokes on the matter."

Pass.

[Celesta]

The word 'ask' is pronounced 'axe' by some people. I don't know if this has anything to do with the use of 'axe' in the title, but it is a fact.

[CraigInTwinCities]

The word 'ask' is pronounced 'axe' by some people. I don't know if this has anything to do with the use of 'axe' in the title, but it is a fact.

Of course; that's obvious. And it's juvenile and hardly worth serious discussion.

It is the moral equivalent to titling a book on the Holocaust: "6 Million Dead: Would Jew Believe Hitler Did It?"

(And believe me, my wife is Jewish, I do not consider such a title to be amusing.)

If DaveR wishes to have his book taken seriously by other researchers, a title like "Did Lizzy Bordon Axe For It?" is NOT the path to professional respect on any level. The title demonstrates a complete disregard for the victims and the accused alike.

[Sam Flynn]

Of course; that's obvious.

Maybe not to those whose first language isn't English, Craig - of which there are a healthy number on the Casebook boards. Celesta was only being helpful.

[Celesta]

Maybe not to those whose first language isn't English, Craig - of which there are a healthy number on the Casebook boards. Celesta was only being helpful.

Thank you for pointing this out, Sam. I was really only trying to be helpful, as you say.

Best,

Cel

[joelhall]

...anyway, as regards the original thread, yep i believe there was more than one killer for oh so many reasons...

joel