Sir William Gull

[FISHY1118]

I noticed a comment on another thread where it was assumed that Sir William Gull was living in London (the West End) at the time of the 1888 murders.

Although I can't find any other reference to it, this doesn't appear to have been the case.

According to the Surrey Mirror, sometime in early August 1888, at around the time of the Tabram murder, Gull moved to "Underhills" a country estate outside of the village of Bletchingley. This is roughly 22 miles south of the East End (34 kilometers) and according to the notice Gull intended to live there for two months, which of course would keep him there until early October 1888.

As far as I can tell, the village didn't (and doesn't) have a railway station, so someone traveling to London would first have to take a carriage to Redhill or Godstone.

Unfortunately the Surrey Mirror like the rest of can't say for sure whether Martha Tabram was a ripper victim , ,I for one believe she was not .

[Lewis C]

Unfortunately the Surrey Mirror like the rest of can't say for sure whether Martha Tabram was a ripper victim , ,I for one believe she was not .

I think she was, but for this issue, I don't think it matters. She died on the 7th, 4 days before this. However, the first 4 canonical victims died during the 2 month period that began August 11th. Unless your point was that Gull may have killed Tabram, but wasn't the Ripper.

[FISHY1118]

I think she was, but for this issue, I don't think it matters. She died on the 7th, 4 days before this. However, the first 4 canonical victims died during the 2 month period that began August 11th. Unless your point was that Gull may have killed Tabram, but wasn't the Ripper.

I was merely pointing out, or trying to at least , that regardless of whether or not Tabram was a ripper victim ,the whereabouts of Gull in relation to the C5 murders in so much he couldn't have committed them is yet to be disproved .

So for me, working from a starting point of Nichols to Kelly thats all I'm really interested in . I'll let other decide for themselves who else they want to throw into the mix for their own benefit.

[DJA]

Gull was not JtR,however reckon he was behind this article.

[FISHY1118]

He may very well been, we can't say he wasn't with any degree of certainty can we ?

Certain parts of the article might well be interpreted as an interesting motive, Gull being a physician, perhaps he wanted to further medical science and this was his agenda. Who knows ?

[John Wheat]

Well, Paul, Sir William was almost 72 years old at the time of the murders, and would be dead within two years. Stroke or not, these facts alone make him an extremely unlikely candidate for the Ripper.

I'm with Sam.

[DJA]

[Lewis C]

I'm with Sam.

So am I.

[FISHY1118]

I'm with Sam.

Fair enough , that your take i respect that.

But just on that comment by Sam if "no stroke " are we saying 72 year old men are not capable of murder ?

I have shown in the past on here a Great deal of documented evidence regarding the minimal effect the "minor" stroke had on Gull.

I rate him as a suspect based on that and other information known at the time. . They may have even been police interest at the time that could elevate him up the list . Cheers

[John Wheat]

Fair enough , that your take i respect that.

But just on that comment by Sam if "no stroke " are we saying 72 year old men are not capable of murder ?

I have shown in the past on here a Great deal of documented evidence regarding the minimal effect the "minor" stroke had on Gull.

I rate him as a suspect based on that and other information known at the time. . They may have even been police interest at the time that could elevate him up the list . Cheers

Can you give any examples of serial killers that started at 72?

[rjpalmer]

He may very well been, we can't say he wasn't with any degree of certainty can we ?

Who is W.E.G.?

I'll take William Ewart Gladstone for $200, Alex, the most famous member of the Reform Club.

[FISHY1118]

Can you give any examples of serial killers that started at 72?

Ray Copeland.

[Kattrup]

Who is W.E.G.?

I'll take William Ewart Gladstone for $200, Alex, the most famous member of the Reform Club.

Hi RJ
of course Gladstone wrote the letter, but Gull was behind it - was the idea that Fishy replied to.

[John Wheat]

Ray Copeland.

Fair enough. I still think the chances of Gull being the Ripper are miniscule though.

[FISHY1118]

Fair enough. I still think the chances of Gull being the Ripper are miniscule though.

No worries.