Favorite suspect/s?

[Abby Normal]

Francis Thompson. I'll give my reasons when I've a bit more time!

me too. Ive always found him an intriguing character.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby,

Cream has been ruled out (tough he was in Joliet Prison at the time), but I said as a Criminal Historian, studying his career is interesting.

Deeming was all over the globe in 1888, but the story about him being on a ship in Suez or such seems moonshine. That does mean much, though (you'll note I have strong reservations about him). I am under the impression he was in London in October 1888, and may have been responsible for the double event. But I'd put more faith in jumping off a cliff tied to a bungy cord (secured to a strong tree) than on "Mad Fred's" guilt.

Mary Eleanor Wheeler Pearcy was a woman who resided in London in 1890 near Hampstead. She hated her successful rival Phoebe Hogg (who married Frank Hogg, whom had also dated Mary), and arranged the visit of Phoebe with her baby to the Hampstead abode. There she attacked and killed Phoebe very bloodily, put Phoebe's body on top of the baby girl's (who was smothered as a result) and after dark transported the two corpses in the parambulator to a dropping off point on the Heath. They were discovered the next day, and the crime was initially ascribed to the Ripper in some newspapers, but soon the identity of the victims led the police to Mrs. Pearcy's home. There they found her walls bespattered by blood, and while questioning her (she appears to have been playing the piano while questioned) asked the cause of the blood. They got the historical answer, "I've been killing mice, killing mice, killing mice!" She was arrested, tried for the two murders, found guilty, and executed. Hogg refused to visit her in prison, which depressed her. Before her death she had her solicitor put an add in some newspaper, that was addressed by her (using her initials) to him or her (using his or her initials) saying that she had not betrayed the recipient or this particular message. F. Tennyson Jesse in her account of the Pearcy-Hogg Tragedy (in her "Murder and It's Motives" which also has a good account on Cream) feels that the lady may have just read of this done in some novel and copied it (that there was no particular recipient who would appreciate and understand it). As you can see, the "Ripper" connection is vague at best, and was quickly dropped when the actual connection of Mrs. Pearcy and her victim found. But occasionally she pops up as a suspect as "Jill the Ripper" because Phoebe Hogg was so horribly killed and Mrs. Pearcy had been (and perhaps still was) a prostitute.

Her only rival for possible "Jill the Ripper" among known female murder suspects is the 1896 baby farmer murderer,. Mrs. Anna Dyer. But Mrs. Dyer did concentrate only on babies. She also just strangled them.

Jeff

Thanks mayer
fascinating.
however, I totally discount that the ripper was female.

And until someone can show Deming was in London during the times of the murder hes out IMHO.

[Elamarna]

Thanks!
If his crimes were committed in 1891-why did the sun take so long to report them?

No you misunderstand I think Abby, the Sun was not reporting his crimes, it was a series of articles claiming that he was JtR, and that he was safely under lock and key.


steve

[Abby Normal]

No you misunderstand I think Abby, the Sun was not reporting his crimes, it was a series of articles claiming that he was JtR, and that he was safely under lock and key.


steve

got it-thanks!!

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
I would say at the time of Mary Kelly's death, the killer was living in Dorset street, maybe the same for the others.
I would say that he made contact with Mary Kelly in daylight hours Nov 9th, having lost his chance during the hours of darkness, because of her picking up Astrakhan man.
Who the man was I have no idea, apart from him having prior knowledge of Kelly.
Regards Richard.

[GUT]

Ok I'll play.....

But let it be clear in my book A.N. Other is in front by a country mile, with daylight second.

First I believe the contemporary police suspects need to be cleared first, the police of the day had all the material we don't, so in that category..

Kozminski (whoever that was)

Tumblety (I'm one who is convinced he was a suspect, not convinced he was a ripper)

Druitt (what was that private information, why did his family think, but why did Macnaghten get so much wrong in the MM)

Leather Apron


Then if they were all cleared killers

Bury

Kelly

Deeming (if I can prove he was in England, and again what was in the autobiography he wrote in his last days)

Dr Cream

It seems to have become a trend to try and point the proverbial finger at witnesses and famous figures of the day, I suspect simply because they have names that can be used rather than being Mr(s) Unknown.

[Abby Normal]

Ok I'll play.....

But let it be clear in my book A.N. Other is in front by a country mile, with daylight second.

First I believe the contemporary police suspects need to be cleared first, the police of the day had all the material we don't, so in that category..

Kozminski (whoever that was)

Tumblety (I'm one who is convinced he was a suspect, not convinced he was a ripper)

Druitt (what was that private information, why did his family think, but why did Macnaghten get so much wrong in the MM)

Leather Apron


Then if they were all cleared killers

Bury

Kelly

Deeming (if I can prove he was in England, and again what was in the autobiography he wrote in his last days)

Dr Cream

It seems to have become a trend to try and point the proverbial finger at witnesses and famous figures of the day, I suspect simply because they have names that can be used rather than being Mr(s) Unknown.

Thanks GUT

Again, I know there may be some question about deeming whereabouts but CReam was in prison, so he's ruled out no?

[Abby Normal]

Hi.
I would say at the time of Mary Kelly's death, the killer was living in Dorset street, maybe the same for the others.
I would say that he made contact with Mary Kelly in daylight hours Nov 9th, having lost his chance during the hours of darkness, because of her picking up Astrakhan man.
Who the man was I have no idea, apart from him having prior knowledge of Kelly.
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard
Why such a nebulous idea? A man who lived in Dorset street? Please elaborate.

BTW I agree that Mary and her killer were probably known to each other.

[GUT]

Thanks GUT

Again, I know there may be some question about deeming whereabouts but CReam was in prison, so he's ruled out no?

Probably... but then again...

[Cogidubnus]

First Tier
A.N.Other, Jacob Levy, Aaron Kosminski,

Second Tier
Druitt, Tumblety, Kelly

Third Tier
McCarthy (no idea why - just generally suspicious of him)

Fourth Tier
All the rest...all no chance

Cheers

Dave

[DJA]

Henry Gawen Sutton.

[John Wheat]

First Tier
A.N.Other, Jacob Levy, Aaron Kosminski,

Second Tier
Druitt, Tumblety, Kelly

Third Tier
McCarthy (no idea why - just generally suspicious of him)

Fourth Tier
All the rest...all no chance

Cheers

Dave

Hi Dave

I'm not convinced that anyone could say there is no chance Bury couldn't be the Ripper. A proven wife murderer with a near identical M.O. to Jack. Strangulation followed by post mortem mutilation.

Cheers John

[John G]

Hi Dave

I'm not convinced that anyone could say there is no chance Bury couldn't be the Ripper. A proven wife murderer with a near identical M.O. to Jack. Strangulation followed by post mortem mutilation.

Cheers John

And,of course, he may have confessed: "Jack Ripper is at the back of this door;" "Jack Ripper is in this seller [sic]."

[John Wheat]

And,of course, he may have confessed: "Jack Ripper is at the back of this door;" "Jack Ripper is in this seller [sic]."

Good point John.

Cheers John

[MysterySinger]

Well what did Packer (or was it the Police) have against Mr Lusk?