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1 : Is a 6'7 tall plasterer and dock labourer likely to weight only 11st during three years while taking food and sleeping well ? No.
He was not working as a plastere during the years you name to begin with. He entered the asylum in a condition of slight thinness, according to the WHO. Why would a slightly thin man not eat and sleep well?
2: Is it likely that the medics made no mention at all of such an uncommon height and thinness ? No.
They DID mention the height in the asylum records, David - they recorded it as 6 ft 7 in. And much aas the height was uncommon, the weight was not, according to the WHO. He was slightly thin, that´s all.
Do you have any records to show us that the staff at the asylum normally mentioned when the inmates were slightly thin? Do you have any examples of them commenting on when somebody was uncommonly tall - or short? I think not.
3: Was Mary likely to be so fond of Joe-the-freak who ill-used her ? No.
Once again, you may need to extend some lang lost courtesy to asylum Fleming and his relatives. He was tall. That does not equal being a freak.
4: If her ex-fiancé was that tall, she would have probably told Mrs McCarthy, Barnett and Venturney. (When a giant ill-use you, you're likely to mention he's a giant)
Maybe she did. And if she said that he was a very tall guy, what guarantee do we have that they would reiterate it to the police? If her ex-fiancée was Evans/Fleming?
5 : Was this giant likely to pass unnoticed in the area when he came to visit Mary ? No.
A 6 ft 7 man was not likely to pass unnoticed anywhere, David. And you can bet your socks that Evans/Fleming WAS noticed. However, it would seem that the witnesses at the inquest, Venturney and Barnett only HEARD of him - it becomes rather apparent when reading their testimony.
6 : Is 6'7 likely to be a mistake ? Yes
Is an asylum record of somebody´s height likely to be a mistake? No. Considering that it represented a height that - though uncommon - was not outlandish in any shape or form, it is likely to be correct. And given that the asylum people would have taken down heights of 4 ft or 5 ft to a 99 per cent degree, the mere fact that they started out with a 6 this time without hesitating seems to me to be a good indicator that it was the real thing to do.
7 : Is Fish likely to be plain wrong ? So it seems.
If I had not had the recorded entry to go by, If James Stewart was a skeleton freak and if cows wore guilded armour and recited Byron, then the better guess would be that I was wrong.
8: Is David going to see sense?
Yes, absolutely - he has already seen it. He´s not blind. And he knows the significance of officially recorded entries in asylum books.
9: Is he going to admit that?
Not very likely, no.
All the best,
Fisherman
1 : Is a 6'7 tall plasterer and dock labourer likely to weight only 11st during three years while taking food and sleeping well ? No.
He was not working as a plastere during the years you name to begin with. He entered the asylum in a condition of slight thinness, according to the WHO. Why would a slightly thin man not eat and sleep well?
2: Is it likely that the medics made no mention at all of such an uncommon height and thinness ? No.
They DID mention the height in the asylum records, David - they recorded it as 6 ft 7 in. And much aas the height was uncommon, the weight was not, according to the WHO. He was slightly thin, that´s all.
Do you have any records to show us that the staff at the asylum normally mentioned when the inmates were slightly thin? Do you have any examples of them commenting on when somebody was uncommonly tall - or short? I think not.
3: Was Mary likely to be so fond of Joe-the-freak who ill-used her ? No.
Once again, you may need to extend some lang lost courtesy to asylum Fleming and his relatives. He was tall. That does not equal being a freak.
4: If her ex-fiancé was that tall, she would have probably told Mrs McCarthy, Barnett and Venturney. (When a giant ill-use you, you're likely to mention he's a giant)
Maybe she did. And if she said that he was a very tall guy, what guarantee do we have that they would reiterate it to the police? If her ex-fiancée was Evans/Fleming?
5 : Was this giant likely to pass unnoticed in the area when he came to visit Mary ? No.
A 6 ft 7 man was not likely to pass unnoticed anywhere, David. And you can bet your socks that Evans/Fleming WAS noticed. However, it would seem that the witnesses at the inquest, Venturney and Barnett only HEARD of him - it becomes rather apparent when reading their testimony.
6 : Is 6'7 likely to be a mistake ? Yes
Is an asylum record of somebody´s height likely to be a mistake? No. Considering that it represented a height that - though uncommon - was not outlandish in any shape or form, it is likely to be correct. And given that the asylum people would have taken down heights of 4 ft or 5 ft to a 99 per cent degree, the mere fact that they started out with a 6 this time without hesitating seems to me to be a good indicator that it was the real thing to do.
7 : Is Fish likely to be plain wrong ? So it seems.
If I had not had the recorded entry to go by, If James Stewart was a skeleton freak and if cows wore guilded armour and recited Byron, then the better guess would be that I was wrong.
8: Is David going to see sense?
Yes, absolutely - he has already seen it. He´s not blind. And he knows the significance of officially recorded entries in asylum books.
9: Is he going to admit that?
Not very likely, no.
All the best,
Fisherman
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