Montague Druitt and 9 Kings Bench Walk Chambers

[Johnr]

Hello All,
On the old boards there was much discussion of MJD's occupancy of legal chambers at the Temple at 9 Kings Bench Walk.
I think it was Robert who located an almost complete list of occupants of 9KBW. That is, who occupied which rooms, on which floors, and the rents they paid.
Would it be possible for someone to resurrect that information and place it on this new thread? (Please).
Another reason for asking this is that, browsing Howells and Skinners " The Ripper Legacy" at page 158 they say:-
" At 9 Kings Bench walk itself, on the floor below Druitt ..." (my italics)
I have never seen anyone authenticate just which chambers MJD occupied.
(Robert's information did not include MJD's room of occupation).
The other reason for this thread is that some posters have suggested that MJD may have used these chambers as his pied a terre before and after the slayings.A sort of hideout.I don't believe that. Nor do I believe Druitt lurked around the East End of London concealing himself and his bloodstained hands under his long black barrister's gown! JOHN RUFFELS.

[aspallek]

I seem to recall a post such as that as well. I do know that several key figures had their chambers nearby. John Henry Lonsdale was at no. 1 KBW, the brother of JK Stephen was also in KBW and their father James Fitzjames Stephen was across the square in the Paper Buildings. I don't think we need to read a lot into this, however, as hundred of barristers had chambers there. The one that is significant is Lonsdale. They lived yards apart in Blackheath and they worked yards apart at KBW. That certainly establishes that they knew one another. Probably exchanged many a conversation while commuting in from Blackheath by rail.

I tend to agre that KBW is unlikely as a hideway for JtR but it is just possible.

[Robert]

John, is this what you mean?

July 13th 2004

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4922/11873.html

[Natalie Severn]

Hello All,
On the old boards there was much discussion of MJD's occupancy of legal chambers at the Temple at 9 Kings Bench Walk.
I think it was Robert who located an almost complete list of occupants of 9KBW. That is, who occupied which rooms, on which floors, and the rents they paid.
Would it be possible for someone to resurrect that information and place it on this new thread? (Please).
Another reason for asking this is that, browsing Howells and Skinners " The Ripper Legacy" at page 158 they say:-
" At 9 Kings Bench walk itself, on the floor below Druitt ..." (my italics)
I have never seen anyone authenticate just which chambers MJD occupied.
(Robert's information did not include MJD's room of occupation).
The other reason for this thread is that some posters have suggested that MJD may have used these chambers as his pied a terre before and after the slayings.A sort of hideout.I don't believe that. Nor do I believe Druitt lurked around the East End of London concealing himself and his bloodstained hands under his long black barrister's gown! JOHN RUFFELS.

On the other hand John, if brother Druitt searched Monty"s chambers and found bloodstained clothing there or a pair of surgical knives in a bloodstained box..................

[Chris Scott]

Here is the census listing for 1881
I'll post the 1891 list later

King's Bench Walk 1881 Census
London / St Dimpton / St Bride / District 8

1:
Occupier: Harry Duff aged 26 born Singapore - Barrister at Law
Visitors:
Robert Duff aged 28 born London - Clerk Oriental bank
Vincent Edwards aged 18 born manchester - Student of Chemistry

Occupier: William G Rutherford aged 28 born Scotland - Classical Master

2:
Occupier: John Mead aged 59 born Worcester - Solicitor
Visitors:
Alice M Austin aged 20 born Peckham - Scholar
Louisa Phillips aged 17 born St Pancras - Scholar
Servant:
Frances Patrick aged 65 born Brighton - Housekeeper
Daughter:
Charlotte Pattrick aged 25 born Norwich - Dressmaker

3 North:
Head: Arthur Bernard aged 29 born Essex - Barrister at law
George Court aged 57 born Oxford - Cabinet maker
Ann Court aged 62 born Nazing, Essex

3 East:
Harriett Budd aged 17 born Westbury, Wiltshire - Housemaid

4:
Head: Mary A Shirafs(?) aged 36 born Soho - Housekeeper
Children:
Arthur Griffin aged 17
Marion Griffin aged 11 born Temple
Mother:
Ann Griffin aged 66 born Westminster - Laundress

Alice Boddam aged 24 born London
Grace Boddam aged 3 months born Hanley, Staffs

Servants:
Ann Barrett aged 27 born County Cork
Clara Artis aged 27 born London
Mercy E Artis aged 3 born London

Occupier: Sidney E Williams aged 30 born Leicester - Barrister at Law

5:
Occupier: Thomas A Greene aged 65 born Leigh, Lancs - Barrister at Law
Visitor: Charlotte Richardson aged 43 born Westminster - Annuitant
Servant: Emma Ingledew aged 54 born Marylebone - Housekeeper

Head: J F Pollard aged 35 born Croydon - Messenger
Wife: Emma Pollard aged 33 born Christ Church

6:
Occupier: William baker aged 31 born Ireland - Barrister at Law

Occupier: Albert B Hopkins aged 33 born London - Private tutor (Mathematics)

Head Porter's Lodge:
Head: George Cooper aged 69 born Richmond - Head porter
Wife: Charlotte Cooper aged 65 born Blackfriars
Children:
Emily aged 34 born Clerkenwell
Charlotte aged 28 born Temple
Alice aged 26 born Merton
Ada aged 22 born Temple
Grand-daughter: Beatrice H Cooper aged 7 born Walworth

7:
Occupier: Samuel E Batten aged 30 born Colombo - Barrister
Servant: Elizabeth Morrissey aged 58 born Cirencester - Domestic servant

Occupier: John Ormsby age 51 born Mayo, Ireland - Author Periodical Literature

8:
Occupier: Christopher J Fawcett aged 41 born Boscombe, Wiltshire - Barrister at Law

9:
Uninhabited

10:
Head: Lewis L Dillwyn aged 66 born Glamorganshire - M.P. for Glamorganshire
Son: Henry D B Dillwyn aged 37 born Swansea - Barrister at Law

Head: Henry F Auldis aged 36 born Paddington - Barrister at Law
Brother: John R Auldis aged 39 born Marylebone - Retired Captain Oxford

11:
Head: Latham Brickwood aged 39 born Luton - Barrister at Law
Brother: Edwin Brickwood aged 43 born Luton - Retired Civil Servant

Head: David Lyde aged 43 born Scotland - Barrister at Law
Servant: Alice Lorraine aged 37 born Hampshire - Housekeeper

Occupier: James R Bulwer aged 60 born Ireland - Barrister at Law

12:
Occupier: Henry Milton aged 28 born London - Barrister at Law
Servant: Emily Travers aged 25 born London - Housekeeper

Occupier: W R McConnell aged 43 born Ireland - Barrister at Law

13:
Occupier: George Bowyer aged 44 born Radley House, Berks - Baronet

Occupier: Hugh Shield aged 49 born Newcatsle on Tyne - Barrister at Law

[Johnr]

Hello Robert, Andy, Natalie, Chris S. and Jeff,
Delightfully interesting as it was, Robert, that tranche of old Druitt posts was not the thread I was thinking of.Thank you however, for finding it.
And thank you Chris Scott for digging upthe 1891 Census, which provided us ( for me for the first time) with the information - at least in 1891 - that 9 Kings Bench Walk did not have any Lodgers.
The actual post I was thinking of mentioned that the details of the tenants of 9 KBW and the rental paid (on each floor) and the names of each.
I thought this information ( which had been provided by an official of The Temple) was posted by either Chris Scott or Robert. I must have been mistaken.
All is not lost though, we now have a lot of biographical detail of the occupants linked to this thread and supplimentedby the kind effort of Chris S.
JOHN RUFFELS.

[Johnr]

And another thing..

Forgot to mention the mystery posting I am seeking did not mention Montague Druitt.
JOHN RUFFELS.

[Robert]

John, I have a feeling that John Savage may have posted something like that. I'll ask him.

[John Savage]

It Wasn't me Gov, Honestly

Hi Robert,

I am afraid I don't recall posting anything like that, I wonder if it might have been Chris Phillips?

The phrase "At 9 Kings Bench walk itself, on the floor below Druitt", sounds to me as if the information might have been obtained from a Kelly's Directory of the time, as I recall they did often list the floor on which people worked. However there is no mention of Kelly's in the ackowledgements section of The Ripper Legacy.

Rgds
John

[Robert]

Oh well, thanks John. So now, the spotlight shifts to Chris Phillips.

[Chris Scott]

King's Bench Walk
1891 Census
London / St Dunstan in the West/ District 5

1:
Head: Hennan W. Loehnis aged 33 born New York - Barrister

Head: Harold Cor aged 31 born Wimbledon - Journalist
Wife: Helen Cor aged 30 born London - Accountant and Auditor

2:
Head: Partick Colquhoun aged 75 born London - Queen's counsel
Servant: Eliza A Everett aged 41 born Gravesend - Housekeeper

3:
Head: George Court aged 69 born Oxford - Carpenter
Wife: Ann Court aged 72 born Nazing, Essex - Housekeeper
Lodger: Edwin D S Vidal aged 32 born Bideford, Devon - Barrister at Law

4: Uninhabited

5:
Head: Thomas A Greene aged 75 born Leigh, Lancs - Barrister
Servant: Emma Ingledew aged 64 born Marylebone - Housekeeper

John R Knight aged 28 born Northfleet, Kent - Barrister

Lodger: William Higgins aged 32 born Ireland - Barrister

6:
Head: Henry Horton aged 47 born Broadstairs, Kent - Under porter, Inner Temple
Wife: Emily Horton aged 43 born City of London
Mother: Harriet Horton aged 88 born Hove
Niece: Rose Libthorp aged 18 born Rochdale - Helpmaid

Charles R S Payne aged 32 born London - Folding box maker
William R Fann aged 39 born Ireland - Barrister
Arnold Austin aged 37 born Hertford - Solicitor

7: Uninhabited

8: Uninhabited

9:
Henry George Cooper aged 62 born Storrington, Sussex - Living on own means

10:
Samuel Hulton aged 29 born Emberton, Bucks - Barrister

11:
Head: David Lyell aged 52 born Scotland - Barrister at law
Servant: Alice Lenaine aged 44 born Portsmouth - Housekeeper

Henry C A Bingley aged 39 born Bridgesworth Rectory, Suffolk - Barrister

12: Uninhabited

13:
James Sheil aged 61 born Tyrone, Ireland - Metropolitan Police Magistrate

[Robert]

Well, here's something. Make a note of it, John, because a week from now I'll have forgotten where I posted it - or even if I posted it.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jray/raymond/kings.htm

[Johnr]

Thanks Rob and John S.,
I may be wrong but I don't think Chris Phillips supplied that information.
I hate to let another hare loose, but now, I think it might have been Dave Andersen.
Whoever it was, I recall, provided these 9KBW details from a reply to a letter.
Theletter was from the Inner Temple.So they must have had some control of the records for 9KBW.
Nil desperandum... JOHN RUFFELS.

[Johnr]

Hello Again,
Needless to say Rob, I posted the above before noticing your very helpful posted link.Thank you for that.I will make a note of it.JOHN RUFFELS.

[Chris]

Oh well, thanks John. So now, the spotlight shifts to Chris Phillips.

Sorry, I don't think it was me. I did a bit of looking for Druitt and Lonsdale in directories and electoral registers, but I don't think I posted anything beyond that.