Druitt and Winchester

[aspallek]

I'm not going to belabor the point with you. There is really no discussing it since you insist on taking it as fact that Druitt was a homosexual when we have no evidence of this. While that may be the case there is not reason for taking it to be so.

I hope that in my other points I have shed some light on things for you.

[Mayerling]

In looking through the list two names popped up that struck me as noteworthy.

Who was George R. Trevelyan? There are two famous English historians of the name George Trevelyan. They are the historian of the English side of the events leading to and through the American Revolutions (George OTTO Trevelyan) and his grandson who was the historian on Garibaldi and the unification of Italy, and of the Age of Wycliffe (George MACAULEY Trevelyan).
The latter was born in 1876. Could George R. Trevelyan been of the family?
Not necessarily in the direct line of these two.

The other is George Buckle. That last name is unique. Could he be a relative of Henry Buckle, the author of The History of Civilization, which was one of the first attempts to find the laws governing the establishment of permenant nation states. Henry Buckle (according to Wikipedia) died in 1862.

Jeff

[Johnr]

George R. Trevelyan

Hello Jeff,

I have looked up the 1888 Debretts Peerage, and cannot find your "George R. Trevelyan" who was at Winchester with Montague Druitt.
But I'll bet his middle name was "Raleigh".
However, I have been able to flesh out another relevant Trevelyan.
This was " Walter Blackett Trevelyan" who occupied chambers at 9 Kings Bench walk from at least, 1887 to 1889.
He was the eldest son of Raleigh Trevelyan and grandson of the late Walter Trevelyan second son of the 3rd Baronet.
Born 1821; ed. at Caius College,Cambridge,(B.A.),bar, Middle Temple, 1858; married Helena Caroline daughter of Sir John Trevelyan (5th baronet).
Residence: The Oaks, Hendon;Chambers: 9 Kings Bench Walk.
Another branch of this family were the Otto Trevelyan line.
Hope this helps a bit. JOHN RUFFELS.

[Robert]

This has probably been mentioned before but I'll post it anyway :

In view of the reference to Druit's "having gone abroad" it's interesting that this was Winchester slang for "getting out of the sick room."

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/public_schools_slang.php

I think it's just a coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it.

[Johnr]

He's " a Goner"

Jolly Good Show there,Robert Major!
Well spotted.
(You don't suppose that SPE is a Public School "plant" do you?
"Newbie" and all...?).
OUCH! YAROO! OH QUELCH! I"LL GET YOU BUNTER!
Oh dear...

JOHN RUFFELS.

[Robert]

Hi John

Well, SPE is definitely a swot, but he's a good chap. The trouble with him is, he has so many books in his study, there probably isn't much room for tuck.

[aspallek]

This has probably been mentioned before but I'll post it anyway :

In view of the reference to Druit's "having gone abroad" it's interesting that this was Winchester slang for "getting out of the sick room."

http://www.elevenplusexams.co.uk/public_schools_slang.php

I think it's just a coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it.

I don't think it has been mentioned here but as you say it is probably just a coincidence. Nice find though.

[Peter L]

New thread for discussion of anything relating to Druitt's stay at Winchester including the quote in the 1972 paperback issue of Farson in which he mentions a report of a Kennyite (resident of Fearon's House) knowing in the 1890's of the Druitt family suspicion regarding Montague.

Here is probably just a remarkable coincidence:

The 1900 Warren Directory of Winchester lists a "Montague John Rendall" as Second Master at something called "The College" which was obviously not Winchester College perhaps some sort of preparatory school. A W.A. Fearon was the Headmaster. Now this same Montague John Rendall was in 1913, according to that year's Warren's, Head Master at St. Mary's College, Winchester. The governing body at St. Mary's included one Edward Tyas Cook as sub-warden. It's probably all coincidence but the existence of someone with the relatively rare forename combination "Montague John" at a location significant to Druitt and with ties to ET Cook is rather striking.

Hello everyone, this is my first post.

I don't know if it has already been pointed out, but "The College" is the name given to the front two quads at Winchester facing College st.

In the two major English public schools; Winchester and its more recent imitator, Eton, "College" is the building where the scholars live. So "The College" referred to in the OP is Winchester after all.

This leads me to another possible misunderstanding; "Kenny's" (Fearons) is a
boarding house in juxtaposition to College, no scholars live there.

Eton has what is known as "Oppidan Scholars" (OS) who do live in house (rather than in College "KS"). Winchester has no such entity, a scholar lives in College. Accordingly if Mr Druitt was a scholar then he can not have been a Kennyite.

I hope this is useful.

[Johnr]

Welcome Peter L

Interesting first Post Peter Thanks,

If your inquiry is about the coincidental name of the Winchester master, Montague John Rendell, then perhaps I should point out that a prominent local Wimborne family contained one son named Montague John Guest.
I think he'll be in Debretts or Burke's.He was older than Druitt.
Also, I have a feeling I've encountered the name Rendell before. Either a cricket or Oxford near-contemporary of Montague John...Druitt.

I have recently coined an aphorism that "Coincidence is an aphrodesiac".
No reflection on you, Peter.
Actually, coincidences make pleasing symmetry.
JOHN RUFFELS.

[lynn cates]

coincidences

Hello John. Hope you are well.

I like your remark about coincidence. Never saw so many till I did Ripper studies.

Cheers.
LC

[Robert]

Here's what Free BMD returned for birth search Montague John born Dorset :

Births Sep 1857 (98%)
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Druitt Montague John Wimbourne 5a 269

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Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Munckton Montague John Wimborne 5a 297

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Births Sep 1871 (>99%)
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RHODES Montague John Weymouth 5a 313
Thorn Montague John B Poole 5a 287

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Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Symes Montague John Wimborne 5a 290

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Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Curtis Montague John Blandford 5a 257

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Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Miller Montague John A Axminster 5b 15

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Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
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CHEESEMAN Montague John Dorchester 5a 336

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Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Lock Montague John Chard 5c 397

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Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
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James Montague John Poole 5a 263

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Births Jun 1898 (>99%)
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WILLS Montague John Blandford 5a 228

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Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Regges Montague John Wareham 5a 267

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Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Allen Montague John C Poole 5a 268

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

Isn't one of the lessons of genealogy, and one of its pitfalls, that similar names repeat and repeat?

C

[Robert]

Hi Chris

Over there you folk seem to have invented a way of distinguishing - you give them a number as though they were monarchs. So you have Fred Smith I, Fred Smith II etc.

I guess that's better than the Viking way, where you had names attached such as "Bluetooth" and "Bloodaxe."

[Peter L]

Interesting first Post Peter Thanks,

If your inquiry is about the coincidental name of the Winchester master, Montague John Rendell, then perhaps I should point out that a prominent local Wimborne family contained one son named Montague John Guest.
I think he'll be in Debretts or Burke's.He was older than Druitt.
Also, I have a feeling I've encountered the name Rendell before. Either a cricket or Oxford near-contemporary of Montague John...Druitt.

I have recently coined an aphorism that "Coincidence is an aphrodesiac".
No reflection on you, Peter.
Actually, coincidences make pleasing symmetry.
JOHN RUFFELS.

Thank you John.

I hadn't intended to make an enquiry; apologies if I wasn't clear. The OP had fallen into a couple of the labyrinthine linguistic snares which Winchester College sets for the unwary.