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  • Mondegreen
    Cadet
    • Apr 2014
    • 18

    #1

    Question about Druitt's occupation

    This question may sound very ignorant, but why is so much discussion here centred on the fact that Druitt was a doctor or studied medicine?

    I ask this because all I've read was that he was a teacher and worked in the Law field. What I've read about his studies here on casebook (in the suspects page) and Wikipedia (not a great source, but that statement was credited to some books in the footnote the last time I checked, I don't know if it still is) indicates he studied Classics.

    I know that his relatives were doctors but that does not make someone a medical student or professional.

    I've seen some posts here suggesting that he may have shadowed one of his relatives or one of their colleagues to see if he had any vocation to become a doctor. I find that more plausible but is it conjecture or do we know that happened?

    Thank you in advance.
  • GUT
    Commissioner
    • Jan 2014
    • 7841

    #2
    G'day Mondegreen

    This question may sound very ignorant, but why is so much discussion here centred on the fact that Druitt was a doctor or studied medicine?
    The rumour starts with an early news report, then the MP for Dorset and Mcnaghten, who all refer to him as a Doctor.

    I ask this because all I've read was that he was a teacher and worked in the Law field. What I've read about his studies here on casebook (in the suspects page) and Wikipedia (not a great source, but that statement was credited to some books in the footnote the last time I checked, I don't know if it still is) indicates he studied Classics.
    Yes he was a Master at Valentine's School and a Barrister, and he had studied Classics at University.

    I know that his relatives were doctors but that does not make someone a medical student or professional.
    There is possibly a year missing in his resumee and the question is "did he study medicine in that time?", or what did he do? If there was a Gap Year.

    I've seen some posts here suggesting that he may have shadowed one of his relatives or one of their colleagues to see if he had any vocation to become a doctor. I find that more plausible but is it conjecture or do we know that happened?
    Seems hard to imagine [to me] that he didn't observe some medical practice when his father was a surgeon.
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • pinkmoon
      Chief Inspector
      • Jul 2013
      • 1813

      #3
      Originally posted by GUT View Post
      The rumour starts with an early news report, then the MP for Dorset and Mcnaghten, who all refer to him as a Doctor.



      Yes he was a Master at Valentine's School and a Barrister, and he had studied Classics at University.



      There is possibly a year missing in his resumee and the question is "did he study medicine in that time?", or what did he do? If there was a Gap Year.



      Seems hard to imagine [to me] that he didn't observe some medical practice when his father was a surgeon.
      Hi gut,Is it possible that the famous memo that names Druitt was copied from some less detailed notes which deliberately had a false age and occupation to disguise his real identity and montys name was added in the final draft.
      Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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      • GUT
        Commissioner
        • Jan 2014
        • 7841

        #4
        G'day Pinkmoon

        Hi gut,Is it possible that the famous memo that names Druitt was copied from some less detailed notes which deliberately had a false age and occupation to disguise his real identity.

        I wouldn't rule it out. I am trying to find the report that I am thinking of [too many different computers] but from memory it also had him aged in his 40's. Sound familiar?
        G U T

        There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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        • GUT
          Commissioner
          • Jan 2014
          • 7841

          #5
          The only press report on Casebook that comes close is

          Thames Valley Times
          Wednesday Evening 2nd January 1889

          That has him aged in his 40's.
          G U T

          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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          • pinkmoon
            Chief Inspector
            • Jul 2013
            • 1813

            #6
            Originally posted by GUT View Post
            The only press report on Casebook that comes close is

            Thames Valley Times
            Wednesday Evening 2nd January 1889

            That has him aged in his 40's.
            Abberline refers to a drowned doctor pulled out of the Thames in a 1903 edition of the pall mall gazzette .
            Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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            • GUT
              Commissioner
              • Jan 2014
              • 7841

              #7
              Griffiths and Sims

              Of course the Dr rumour was continued by Griffiths and Sims in their works.
              G U T

              There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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              • GUT
                Commissioner
                • Jan 2014
                • 7841

                #8
                Originally posted by pinkmoon View Post
                Abberline refers to a drowned doctor pulled out of the Thames in a 1903 edition of the pall mall gazzette .
                G'day Pinkmoon

                I've seen one [from memory] Jan 1888.

                Also you did good with the beans.
                G U T

                There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                • GUT
                  Commissioner
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 7841

                  #9
                  there is also the report of PC Moulson who was the first officer to the body of MJ Druitt which from memory had him as a Dr.

                  I have also read suggestions [for what they're worth] that it came from his initials MD.
                  G U T

                  There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                  • Mondegreen
                    Cadet
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 18

                    #10
                    Thank you for your replies, especially GUT's detailed ones.

                    I don't think it's impossible that he may have witnessed medical practice at all, in fact like you, I agree it's likely. I was just wondering because since he didn't study Medicine, it's hard to know exactly how much knowledge and experience he had, whereas if he'd formally studied it we'd be able to guess based on the expected level of knowledge of someone with those qualifications.

                    I wonder if he could have travelled abroad during that gap year, in France or Italy or something. It was a rite of passage of sorts of young men who could afford it to spend some time abroad to see works of art and visit archaeological sites.

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                    • pinkmoon
                      Chief Inspector
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 1813

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GUT View Post
                      there is also the report of PC Moulson who was the first officer to the body of MJ Druitt which from memory had him as a Dr.

                      I have also read suggestions [for what they're worth] that it came from his initials MD.
                      Hi gut,could someone have assumed that Druitt was the doctor Druitt (montys cousin)who had worked in the east end a year or so before the suicide after all Druitt isn't a very common name.
                      Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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                      • GUT
                        Commissioner
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 7841

                        #12
                        G'day Mondegreen

                        I wonder if he could have travelled abroad during that gap year, in France or Italy or something. It was a rite of passage of sorts of young men who could afford it to spend some time abroad to see works of art and visit archaeological sites.
                        That certainly can't be ruled out, the "Grand Tour" was common.

                        A number of works say that he spent a year studying medicine but none gve any reference to support that contention.
                        G U T

                        There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                        • GUT
                          Commissioner
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 7841

                          #13
                          BTW I have lost my fle on PC Moulson can anyone point me to a copy of his report as have been working purely from memory bus as I recall Mcnaghten's "Mistakes" about Montie equated with Moulson's report.
                          G U T

                          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                          • David Andersen
                            Constable
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 61

                            #14
                            PC Moulsom never referred to Druitt as a Doctor. Nor to his age. His evidence at the inquest appears only to state that he had found and searched the body.
                            David Andersen
                            Author of 'BLOOD HARVEST'
                            (My Hunt for Jack The Ripper)

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                            • David Andersen
                              Constable
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 61

                              #15
                              MacNaghten only claimed that Druitt was 'SAID' to be a doctor.
                              David Andersen
                              Author of 'BLOOD HARVEST'
                              (My Hunt for Jack The Ripper)

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