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  • Message from Jon Hainsworth and Christine Ward-Agius.

    In July the American version of The Escape Of Jack The Ripper by Jon Hainsworth and Christine Ward-Agius will be available with new information. Jon has asked me to post this message.

    “We thank those who have given our revisionist account a fair go.

    We argue that Montague Druitt is not a suspect in the Whitechapel murders. He was the solution to a handful of upper class Victorians, including a police chief (and members of the killer's own family), who broadly shared their solution with the public: Jack the English gentleman above suspicion, not Jack the poor, non-Christian immigrant of widespread prejudice. Between 1898 to about the mid-20's the public knew that The Ripper had been identified by the 'police', but never named in public (as he could not receive due process).

    Druitt did not 'die at the right time'. He drowned himself at the 'wrong' time; over two years too early. Macnaghten misled people with his sly memos, about Mary Jane Kelly being known to be the final victim of a serial maniac when found - but he admitted the truth in his 1914 memoirs: the cops were unknowingly chasing a ghost for years.

    The Dagonet (George Sims) source from the Dec 1st 1891 issue of "The Referee" found by Christine, and that is accessible on the other site is, we argue, one of the 'smoking guns' for our theory. Sims, the close pal of Macnaghten, 'speculates' that the murderer is likely dead, a suicide, that he had been young, a gentleman, a brunette, slightly built yet strong, who expressed insincere regret for his crimes, that he was a genius at evading capture, that he had "dabbled" but not qualified in scientific studies (and whose date of death does not explain the murders ceasing, as they haven't yet).

    The whole truth about M. J. Druitt was unknown to Scotland Yard as an institution. The upper class Macnaghten did not trust his colleagues (and loathed Anderson). Affable "Mac" told everybody that their suspect was likely the killer and further lied that they were deceased, and sometimes a suicide too: "Kosminski" (Anderson and Swanson); Dr. Tumblety (Littlechild); died in a U.S. asylum (Tom Divall); William Grant (George Kebbel); medical student (Dr. Forbes Winslow, Osbert Sitwell) butcher died in Australia (Robert Sagar). Yet these suspects were not dead and/or a suicide: this was true only of Montie Druitt.

    The terms "doctor" and "surgeon" in Victorian England were interchangeable with "medical student" (Macnaghten, Abberline, Basil Thomson, the north country vicar, et al).”
    Regards

    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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    The terms "doctor" and "surgeon" in Victorian England were interchangeable with "medical student"

    That’s a curious statement.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
      The terms "doctor" and "surgeon" in Victorian England were interchangeable with "medical student"

      That’s a curious statement.
      Reminds me of Three Men in a Boat:

      “George has a cousin, who is usually described in the charge-sheet as a medical student, so that he naturally has a somewhat family-physicianary way of putting things.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

        Reminds me of Three Men in a Boat:

        “George has a cousin, who is usually described in the charge-sheet as a medical student, so that he naturally has a somewhat family-physicianary way of putting things.”
        What a coincidence. I was in Walsall today and I walked past Jerome K Jerome’s house.
        Regards

        Sir Herlock Sholmes.

        “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

          What a coincidence. I was in Walsall today and I walked past Jerome K Jerome’s house.
          Did it smell of cheese?

          I must’ve read or dipped into that book pretty much every year since I left school (a very long time ago) and it still makes laugh.

          A bookshop owner I know in Dorset once told me that his great grandmother was JKJ’s house keeper.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

            Did it smell of cheese?

            I must’ve read or dipped into that book pretty much every year since I left school (a very long time ago) and it still makes laugh.

            A bookshop owner I know in Dorset once told me that his great grandmother was JKJ’s house keeper.
            I think that the house is still up for sale Gary, so if you fancy making a bid?. Then again, who would actually choose to live in Walsall? I only read Three Men In A Boat once and that was when I was not long out of my teens so it’s another one on my very long list of books due for a re-read which I’ll get through eventually if I manage to live until I’m 146
            Regards

            Sir Herlock Sholmes.

            “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
              In July the American version of The Escape Of Jack The Ripper by Jon Hainsworth and Christine Ward-Agius will be available with new information. Jon has asked me to post this message.

              “We thank those who have given our revisionist account a fair go.

              We argue that Montague Druitt is not a suspect in the Whitechapel murders. He was the solution to a handful of upper class Victorians, including a police chief (and members of the killer's own family), who broadly shared their solution with the public: Jack the English gentleman above suspicion, not Jack the poor, non-Christian immigrant of widespread prejudice. Between 1898 to about the mid-20's the public knew that The Ripper had been identified by the 'police', but never named in public (as he could not receive due process).

              Druitt did not 'die at the right time'. He drowned himself at the 'wrong' time; over two years too early. Macnaghten misled people with his sly memos, about Mary Jane Kelly being known to be the final victim of a serial maniac when found - but he admitted the truth in his 1914 memoirs: the cops were unknowingly chasing a ghost for years.

              The Dagonet (George Sims) source from the Dec 1st 1891 issue of "The Referee" found by Christine, and that is accessible on the other site is, we argue, one of the 'smoking guns' for our theory. Sims, the close pal of Macnaghten, 'speculates' that the murderer is likely dead, a suicide, that he had been young, a gentleman, a brunette, slightly built yet strong, who expressed insincere regret for his crimes, that he was a genius at evading capture, that he had "dabbled" but not qualified in scientific studies (and whose date of death does not explain the murders ceasing, as they haven't yet).

              The whole truth about M. J. Druitt was unknown to Scotland Yard as an institution. The upper class Macnaghten did not trust his colleagues (and loathed Anderson). Affable "Mac" told everybody that their suspect was likely the killer and further lied that they were deceased, and sometimes a suicide too: "Kosminski" (Anderson and Swanson); Dr. Tumblety (Littlechild); died in a U.S. asylum (Tom Divall); William Grant (George Kebbel); medical student (Dr. Forbes Winslow, Osbert Sitwell) butcher died in Australia (Robert Sagar). Yet these suspects were not dead and/or a suicide: this was true only of Montie Druitt.

              The terms "doctor" and "surgeon" in Victorian England were interchangeable with "medical student" (Macnaghten, Abberline, Basil Thomson, the north country vicar, et al).”
              thanks for posting this herlock.
              ill be adding this book to my collection. congrats to Jonathan.

              btw-does he not post here anymore, i thought he did?
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                thanks for posting this herlock.
                ill be adding this book to my collection. congrats to Jonathan.

                btw-does he not post here anymore, i thought he did?
                I’m note sure tbh Abby. If he did post on here it was before my time. I know that he used to post over on JTRForums (which is where he pm’ed me about the update of his book.)
                Regards

                Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                  I’m note sure tbh Abby. If he did post on here it was before my time. I know that he used to post over on JTRForums (which is where he pm’ed me about the update of his book.)
                  He was certainly a regular here for a while, he now shows as inactive.
                  G U T

                  There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GUT View Post

                    He was certainly a regular here for a while, he now shows as inactive.
                    He doesn’t post on JTRForums these days either but he’s still classed as active as he logged in an pm’ed me. It’s a pity that he no longer posts because when discussing Druitt he’s the expert on the subject and can respond far better than I can.
                    Regards

                    Sir Herlock Sholmes.

                    “A house of delusions is cheap to build but draughty to live in.”

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