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[Columbo]

By your reckoning thousands of men have as much chance of being the Ripper as Lechmere other than the fact that he found a body. And you keep going on about Lechmere being found with a body but it's not as if he was found with a knife over the victim. In fact its more accurate to say he found a body. No amount of semantics make Lechmere anything other than a witness. As for me bothering to answer your posts I did start the thread.

Oh good another Lechmere reference! Lechmere was found with a very recently killed victim. That in itself should warrant at least a look at him. But look at the other threads and there is a little more then just finding a body. I'm not saying he did it, just pointing out there's more than what's referenced here.

Bury killed and confessed to killing his wife. There was no similarities between JTR's victims and Bury's mutilation of his wife. No throat cut, no dis-disembowelment. the wounds were practical. The stabs may have to finish her off because she wasn't quite dead. Wounds were made to stuff her into a box, just like Mary Pearcy did to her lover's wife and child. So when people say the wounds are similar, that's semantics.

A few graffito's make no difference because there's no real proof of what they said or if they even existed. If they did exist why did no one point Bury out at the time as JTR? If they took the time to write it and were actually referencing Bury why not tell the cops?

Bury's like other suspects. He's a possibility but not a very strong one. Not even during his own time.

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[drstrange169]

So can you guide me to where I can find the information McPherson and Beadle have?

http://www.amazon.com/Trial-Jack-Ripper-William-1859-89/dp/1845960114

and

http://www.amazon.com/Jack-Ripper-Anatomy-William-Beadle/dp/0952448904

It's been a decade or so since I've read them but, I recall enjoying the books.

[Columbo]

Well Van Gough is a better bet than Lechmere at least Van Gough cut off his ear so he obviously had violent tendencies.

I think that almost any man with violent tendencies could be a suspect but where do you start?

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[John Wheat]

I understand that - it is often the case when somebody answers every post you make; they are not - ehrm - interested.

Think about if it was proven that Bury moved along the very streets where the murders took place - like Lechmere apparently did.

Think about if it was proven that he was out on these streets at around the times the victims were killed - like Lechmere probably was.

Think about if he could be geographically tied to all the spots - like Lechmere.

Think about if Bury had given another name than his real one when approaching the police - like Lechmere did.

I bet you would have been equally disinterested then too, right...?

Think about if Bury had been the man found by Robert Paul, close to the freshly slain body of Polly Nichols. Iīm sure that would have made you go: "Nah - somebody had to find her".

Itīs a world full of hypocrisy, is it not?

By your reckoning thousands of men have as much chance of being the Ripper as Lechmere other than the fact that he found a body. And you keep going on about Lechmere being found with a body but it's not as if he was found with a knife over the victim. In fact its more accurate to say he found a body. No amount of semantics make Lechmere anything other than a witness. As for me bothering to answer your posts I did start the thread.

[John Wheat]

Van Gough did it. "nuff said.

Columbo

Well Van Gough is a better bet than Lechmere at least Van Gough cut off his ear so he obviously had violent tendencies.

[Columbo]

Van Gough did it. "nuff said.

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[Columbo]

Well then if even you are saying there's nothing suspicious with Lechmere finding a body then what's the point of the umpteen Lechmere threads? I'll give you a clue no point. I've read all the b.s. about Lechmere and that's all it is b.s. As for me finding nothing that ties Bury to the case I never claimed I had. That has already been done by others eg McPherson and Beadle.

So can you guide me to where I can find the information McPherson and Beadle have?

Columbo

[Fisherman]

Therefore, he was part of the case. That's all I wanted.

Concession accepted.

Lewis Carrol is also tied to the case. And Vincent van Gogh. In a fashion.

And they were not cleared by the police, so it was probably them.

Bury remains a bad bid. Sorry.

Lechmere remains the only really good one.

Not sorry.

[Fisherman]

Yes Lechmere had a reason to be out at that time its not suspicious it is anything but. Lechmere gave a name that could easily have been traced to him. You'll have to do better than that but don't bother I'm really not interested.

I understand that - it is often the case when somebody answers every post you make; they are not - ehrm - interested.

Think about if it was proven that Bury moved along the very streets where the murders took place - like Lechmere apparently did.

Think about if it was proven that he was out on these streets at around the times the victims were killed - like Lechmere probably was.

Think about if he could be geographically tied to all the spots - like Lechmere.

Think about if Bury had given another name than his real one when approaching the police - like Lechmere did.

I bet you would have been equally disinterested then too, right...?

Think about if Bury had been the man found by Robert Paul, close to the freshly slain body of Polly Nichols. Iīm sure that would have made you go: "Nah - somebody had to find her".

Itīs a world full of hypocrisy, is it not?

[John Wheat]

It is not as if Lechmereīs finding the body is the only thing pointing to him. That is your conjecture only, and not compatible with the truth. To begin with, Lechmere is geographically tied to the murder area by means of his working trek and his mothers place. He also had reason to be on the streets at the relevant hours.
There is also the fact that he gave another name than the one he ordinarily gave when contacting authorities.
There is also the fact that he disagreed with the police over what was said on the murder night.
And a number of other matters.

To you that is bullshit. That only goes to show how ill informed and ignorant you are - and you brag about it to boot! Dear me.

McPherson and Bill Beadle have not tied Bury to the murder series. He remains a person of vague interest only. That is still enough to place him on the top twenty, but that is alongside a number of other not very remarkable candidates - such is the overall quality. If it ever changes in Buryīs c ase, I will let you know. Just donīt trust your instincts on it, since that seems to end in disaster...

Yes Lechmere had a reason to be out at that time its not suspicious it is anything but. Lechmere gave a name that could easily have been traced to him. You'll have to do better than that but don't bother I'm really not interested.

[Harry D]

He was investigated as a potential suspect, yes

Therefore, he was part of the case. That's all I wanted.

Concession accepted.

[Fisherman]

Well then if even you are saying there's nothing suspicious with Lechmere finding a body then what's the point of the umpteen Lechmere threads? I'll give you a clue no point. I've read all the b.s. about Lechmere and that's all it is b.s. As for me finding nothing that ties Bury to the case I never claimed I had. That has already been done by others eg McPherson and Beadle.

It is not as if Lechmereīs finding the body is the only thing pointing to him. That is your conjecture only, and not compatible with the truth. To begin with, Lechmere is geographically tied to the murder area by means of his working trek and his mothers place. He also had reason to be on the streets at the relevant hours.
There is also the fact that he gave another name than the one he ordinarily gave when contacting authorities.
There is also the fact that he disagreed with the police over what was said on the murder night.
And a number of other matters.

To you that is bullshit. That only goes to show how ill informed and ignorant you are - and you brag about it to boot! Dear me.

McPherson and Bill Beadle have not tied Bury to the murder series. He remains a person of vague interest only. That is still enough to place him on the top twenty, but that is alongside a number of other not very remarkable candidates - such is the overall quality. If it ever changes in Buryīs c ase, I will let you know. Just donīt trust your instincts on it, since that seems to end in disaster...

[John Wheat]

I have "come up with" lots more.

The fact is that you have come up with absolutely nothing that in any shape or form ties Bury to the Ripper case.

What you do now is to repeat the somewhat worn idea that I would have suggested that finding a body is suspicious per se.

I have not, so you can let that go.

Well then if even you are saying there's nothing suspicious with Lechmere finding a body then what's the point of the umpteen Lechmere threads? I'll give you a clue no point. I've read all the b.s. about Lechmere and that's all it is b.s. As for me finding nothing that ties Bury to the case I never claimed I had. That has already been done by others eg McPherson and Beadle.

[Fisherman]

Don't move the goalposts. You said there's nothing linking him to the Ripper CASE. That statement is incorrect. He was actually investigated as a suspect, unlike Lechmere.



Yeah, but you don't put any stock in their judgement... or is that only when it suits?

He was investigated as a potential suspect, yes - and the police could find nothing at all that tied him practically to the Ripper case, which is the exact point I am making.

George Chapman is another man of the same ilk - an interest (albeit at a later stage) from the police, but no links to the case whatsoever, practically speaking.

By the way, being investigated as a potential suspect does not elevate your suspect status if nothing comes to light that is of interest in the case - it is the other way around; it lowers your suspect status.

Do I put any stock in the judgment of the victorian police? Actually, I do. I think they were not up to scratch if we compare to todays forces, and I think they made numerous mistakes along the Ripper investigation. But I do not rule out their ability to exclude a person from the investigation as such. Itīs not as if there was any guarantee that they would get things wrong - itīs much more a case of the victorian police being an unmodern, prejudiced police force. That would prevent them from going after people from different layers of society with the same zeal and conviction, but once they had a suspect, they would have a pretty good idea about which questions to ask and what to check.

So nice try, but no cigar, Harry. You may need to give up smoking altogether.

[Harry D]

Don't move the goalposts. You said there's nothing linking him to the Ripper CASE. That statement is incorrect. He was actually investigated as a suspect, unlike Lechmere.

He was officially cleared too, it would seem...

Yeah, but you don't put any stock in their judgement... or is that only when it suits?