Originally posted by John Wheat
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Does anything rule Bury out?
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Originally posted by John G View PostBut why must he be either or? Thus, there have been other killers that have mutilated there victims, such as both McKenzie's and Austin's killers, assuming they weren't the same person. And, as Bury didn't even attempt to cut Ellen's throat, it could be argued he was neither.
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Originally posted by The Good Michael View PostYes I am. Because just like the C5, he strangled her and put her in a box and didn't cut her throat in the privacy of his own home. So it's definitely a copyc...wait.
Mike
I would respond to this however my previous post to John G seems apt in response to this post.
Cheers John
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Originally posted by John Wheat View PostWell if Bury isn't Jack or a copycat killer then there are alot of coincidences: The chalkings, what Bury said to the police, the way Ellen Bury's murder is similar to the C5, James Berry the hangman believing he was the Ripper, Bury matching all the psyche profiles, Bury moving to London a short while before the Ripper murders started, Bury leaving London a short while after Mary Kelly's murder.
The big damning evidence hear is really how he killed his wife. And it's not close enough to be that damning. It's just not. And the graffiti was I grant you weird, but that is the only honest to god coincidence in everything you said. Everything else is just regular chance.The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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Originally posted by Errata View PostThe chalkings accuse him of being the Ripper. Which is something that should be explained, but whose explanation is likely entirely mundane. Bury did not confess to being Jack the Ripper. Nor did he implicate himself in those crimes. So while his statements are certainly damning for the case against him for killing his wife, it has nothing to do with the Ripper. Ellen Bury's murder is not similar to the C5. It has a couple of similarities, which is a subtle but big difference. Unless James Berry spent a good amount of time talking to the condemned man before his death, he can believe what he likes. He had no information. As for moving to and away from London roughly within the right time frame, it's pretty rough, and you are still talking about 3-500000 people that could apply to, none of whom are the Ripper.
The big damning evidence hear is really how he killed his wife. And it's not close enough to be that damning. It's just not. And the graffiti was I grant you weird, but that is the only honest to god coincidence in everything you said. Everything else is just regular chance.
The chalkings are not likely mundanely explained they could have been written by Bury ergo Ripper or copycat, Ellen Bury because she thought he was the Ripper ergo Bury is likely the Ripper, someone else who thought he was the Ripper ergo Bury is likely the Ripper or a big coincidence, someone who didn't think Bury was the Ripper which begs the question why and is a massive coincidence. We don't know what Bury said to James Bury but again its a massive coincidence Berry thought he was the Ripper if he wasn't. As for Ellen Bury's murder strangulation followed by post mortem mutilation sounds like the C5 to me. Again it seems a massive coincidence if Bury wasn't the Ripper or a copycat killer.
Cheers John
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If Bury was JtR, and I think there's a very good chance he was, I don't think he would have given himself up by killing Ellen exactly as he'd done with those poor women in Whitechapel. JtR was many things, but stupid wasn't one of them.wigngown 🇬🇧
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Originally posted by wigngown View PostIf Bury was JtR, and I think there's a very good chance he was, I don't think he would have given himself up by killing Ellen exactly as he'd done with those poor women in Whitechapel. JtR was many things, but stupid wasn't one of them.
Mikehuh?
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Originally posted by wigngown View Postyes, you did indeed give two choices, I can count. In reply, I specifically asked who said he'd written them and further asked whether or not he'd seen them. I presume from your reply that you can't answer either question. huh?
Mikehuh?
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Originally posted by wigngown View PostPerhaps you should stop asking questions in such a lofty manner, the underlying inference being that people haven't considered the blindingly obvious. Sorry but its an Atypical symptom of being a Teacher.
People take their suspects to seriously and they all have major holes.
Mikehuh?
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Attack?! Good grief. Had I wanted to I could have pointed out that if, according to you, Bury didn't see two chalked messages on his own back door, he was fairly dull. Incorrect. Had Bury seen the messages and not removed them, now that would have been fairly dull. But we don't know if he seen them, or had written them, do we? There is no evidence that Bury was bright, so you conclude he wasn't? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's not about anything other than you posting comments which infer that you alone have the monopoly on common sense. Did you not think I'd considered the chalk messages? Why didn't you just say, in your opinion, Bury is a weak candidate? Bury is a better candidate than some, and not as good as others. I think we are finished with this debate.wigngown 🇬🇧
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