Is Bury the best suspect we have?

[Kattrup]

How do you know Jack was mad?

He killed people in order to play around with their insides.

I still think Bury was the Ripper. Also I'm not totally sure what Kosminski, Druitt and Granger have going for them other than being suspected by the Police who weren't experienced with Serial Killers at the time.

That is exactly what they have going for them- police interest, same as Bury.

[Sunny Delight]

It is my belief that Bury is the best suspect we have for a number of reasons. Most notably that Bury murdered his wife in a similar fashion to the C5, Bury matches the FBI psychological profile rather well and that Bury left London shortly after Mary Kelly's murder. But is Bury the best suspect we have? I'd be interested to hear others thoughts.

I think all the suspects are poor to be honest. You could make a case that Bury is the best of a bad bunch. Personally to me he sounds like someone who liked to go a alcohol binges for days and was a domestic abuser. He maybe killed his wife for money but took a fit of conscience. He was clearly someone who was not always in control of himself.

I read elsewhere he may have been in Wolverhampton at the time Martha Tabram was killed. Any more info on that?

[Lewis C]

I think all the suspects are poor to be honest. You could make a case that Bury is the best of a bad bunch. Personally to me he sounds like someone who liked to go a alcohol binges for days and was a domestic abuser. He maybe killed his wife for money but took a fit of conscience. He was clearly someone who was not always in control of himself.

I read elsewhere he may have been in Wolverhampton at the time Martha Tabram was killed. Any more info on that?

That's what I would say - that Bury is the best named suspect of a bad bunch. He's the only named suspect who mutilated someone that he killed, and he left the Whitechapel area shortly after the Kelly murder. I'd say the biggest mark against him (or in his favor) is that the police showed so little interest in him, despite the fact that it occurred to them that he could be the Ripper. Also, he couldn't have killed McKenzie, but McKenzie may or may not have been a Ripper victim.

[Abby Normal]

That's what I would say - that Bury is the best named suspect of a bad bunch. He's the only named suspect who mutilated someone that he killed, and he left the Whitechapel area shortly after the Kelly murder. I'd say the biggest mark against him (or in his favor) is that the police showed so little interest in him, despite the fact that it occurred to them that he could be the Ripper. Also, he couldn't have killed McKenzie, but McKenzie may or may not have been a Ripper victim.

or as i like to say, the least weak. and yes, mckenzie is the fly in the bury ointment.

[John Wheat]

I think all the suspects are poor to be honest. You could make a case that Bury is the best of a bad bunch. Personally to me he sounds like someone who liked to go a alcohol binges for days and was a domestic abuser. He maybe killed his wife for money but took a fit of conscience. He was clearly someone who was not always in control of himself.

I read elsewhere he may have been in Wolverhampton at the time Martha Tabram was killed. Any more info on that?

Bury was not in Wolverhampton during Tabram's murder he was in London. There is probably some info on Casebook but I'm not sure where.

[John Wheat]

He killed people in order to play around with their insides.


That is exactly what they have going for them- police interest, same as Bury.

The difference between Bury and those suspects is that Bury is a proven murderer.

[GBinOz]

The difference between Bury and those suspects is that Bury is a proven murderer.

Really?....The mock retrial found him innocent and the jury at the time had doubts due to the medical evidence. How would your theory survive if Bury was innocent of his wife's murder, and his wife meet her death accidentally, as he claimed, and he mutilated her and stuffed her in a box to avoid being accused of being the Ripper, as he claimed. Could he have been someone craving the notoriety while endeavouring to avoid the consequence?

[The Rookie Detective]

Really?....The mock retrial found him innocent and the jury at the time had doubts due to the medical evidence. How would your theory survive if Bury was innocent of his wife's murder, and his wife meet her death accidentally, as he claimed, and he mutilated her and stuffed her in a box to avoid being accused of being the Ripper, as he claimed. Could he have been someone craving the notoriety while endeavouring to avoid the consequence?

The mock retrial was the equivalent of a group of school kids going to Wembley to recreate the 1966 world cup final, to then claim that England should have lost by 4 goals, based on the bias English weather conditions, poor officiating and the density of the football being in favour of the home team.

It's okay to understand that Bury murdered his wife.


There's no shame in that


He strangled her, and then after she died...he got curious with a little post-mortem play with his knife.

And just to make sure she was dead and concealed, he chose to fold her dead body and squeeze her into a box...that he then used as a chair.


The ultimate display of male dominance and power over his butchered female prey, whom he had tormented ever since the day she fell into his trap by having met him in the first place.


The guy hanged and he deserved what he got in spades.


His poor wife is never really considered as relevant, but she should be commended for her strength in managing to contain him for as long as she did.

If he was the Ripper, she likely saved many women from being murdered.


As a side note; if one was to watch the documentary that dealt with the mock retrial; it's clear that all the medical experts know that Bury was guilty, but their lack of committal through some bizarre fear of some kind of woke rebuttal, end up conceding that they're not sure.

But that concession is made only after a war of attrition that is based upon favouring Bury's innocence.


the documentary was made specifically to push for Bury being cleared, just for the sake of making the documentary in the first place.


the production is self-serving and clearly geared towards a bias and incorrect interpretation of the evidence.


It's as if the producers were only willing to spend money on the mock trial, if the trial found Bury innocent; so that the documentary stood out as groundbreaking.


Nobody would have talked about it if they found Bury guilty again.

It's also important to note that the mock trial had no legal or official clout whatsoever.


It was essentially a waste of time.


Even the "judge" at the end, told the jury something along the lines of them only having 5 minutes to decide, because they were going home soon and needed to clear the building.
He rushed through the "verdict" and it all ended as a bit of farcical television in the end.


Note also that the so called "prosecution" who were trying to say that Bury was guilty, seemed to be led by someone who clearly had no social presence and who spoke with no confidence or conviction; like they were camera shy. Whereas, the defence side were led by someone with a clear and confident manner. That also played a part in the jury's 5 minutes to decide a verdict farce.



But anyway; to say that Bury was innocent, is to give a great disservice to his poor wife, who no doubt suffered terribly in her final moments.


Bury got what he had coming to him, and even his hangman James Berry didn't give Bury the satisfaction or time to put on a show.


A quick, clean and instantaneous end.

[John Wheat]

Really?....The mock retrial found him innocent and the jury at the time had doubts due to the medical evidence. How would your theory survive if Bury was innocent of his wife's murder, and his wife meet her death accidentally, as he claimed, and he mutilated her and stuffed her in a box to avoid being accused of being the Ripper, as he claimed. Could he have been someone craving the notoriety while endeavouring to avoid the consequence?

The chances of Ellen Bury having committed suicide are zero. Whatever the result of a mock trial. To say that Ellen Bury committed suicide is disrespectful to Ellen Bury as The Rookie Detective has commented.