Assessing the case against W.H.Bury

[Pcdunn]

Good 'un!

I liked that one, Harry!

[Harry D]

That said, I think Bury may very well be innocent!

Finally, him and Lechmere have something in common!

[Sam Flynn]

That said, I think Bury may very well be innocent!

MacLechmere dunnit!

[Rainbow]

That's a ridiculous post.

You can say that to the doctor who believed it was a suicide..

Except of course if you think you know better

hehehe..


Rainbow°

[John Wheat]

There is still a chance that Bury didn't even kill his own wife!

If one of the doctor's report was true, and Bury was heavily drunk to recognize what exactly had happened that night!



That said, I think Bury may very well be innocent!



Rainbow°

That's a ridiculous post.

[Rainbow]

There is still a chance that Bury didn't even kill his own wife!

If one of the doctor's report was true, and Bury was heavily drunk to recognize what exactly had happened that night!



That said, I think Bury may very well be innocent!



Rainbow°

[John Wheat]

Putting aside the mutilation of Ellen Bury was the way Bury stuffed her into the trunk breaking one leg in the process and then leaving Ellen Bury in the trunk for around a week, reportedly playing cards on the top of the trunk the actions of a one time wife murderer?

[Cogidubnus]

Hi John

That's fine by me...after all at this distance in time, so much of what we debate is mere conjecture, likelihood or whatever! Bury's still pretty well up there ... amongst the best of a bad lot...

Hope you're keeping well

Dave

[John Wheat]

So far as I'm aware this was an "outside back cellar" totally unconnected with the flat...probably separated by a solid concrete floor...Why wouldn't the local kids write messages? They had no TV, no Playstations or X-boxes, no smartphones...so to amuse themselves they explored, and pretended, and played at adventures, and dared each other to do slightly iffy things, just like kids always have (at least up to my days anyway!)...and if there were newly-arrived folk from such an exotic place as London, where exciting things were happening, then the odds were they'd latch onto this straightaway...

Hello Dave

I wasn't aware the Bury's cellar was an 'outside back cellar. Fair points about the kids. I still believe Bury wrote both the messages though.

Cheers John

[Cogidubnus]

Hi John

So far as I'm aware this was an "outside back cellar" totally unconnected with the flat...probably separated by a solid concrete floor...during my childhood both my grandparents and my Uncle/Aunt lived in buildings with a similar arrangement...and the cellar doors were always left unlocked...simply because there was little (if anything, apart from possibly a few gardening bits and pieces) of value left in there...

The front cellar was different because there was a coal chute there (for deliveries) plus access to the house...but I don't think the Bury's had a front cellar...at least it's not mentioned...

Why wouldn't the local kids write messages? They had no TV, no Playstations or X-boxes, no smartphones...so to amuse themselves they explored, and pretended, and played at adventures, and dared each other to do slightly iffy things, just like kids always have (at least up to my days anyway!)...and if there were newly-arrived folk from such an exotic place as London, where exciting things were happening, then the odds were they'd latch onto this straightaway...

All the best

Dave

[John Wheat]

Hello Dave

Why would the local children write the chalk messages? Just because Bury had come from London doesn't really cut it. Also why would the local children have access to Bury's cellar? Considering Bury murdered his wife in the residence I doubt Bury would leave his cellar unlocked for people to poke around or listen to what was going off in the flat.

Cheers John

[Cogidubnus]

Hi John

There's also no evidence to suggest the chalk messages were written by the local children.

But the local police thought so....and so did the local paper, the Courier, (who you'd not normally expect to play down the matter)...

Also one of the chalk messages was written inside the residence which the children would have had no access too

The first message was written on the cellar door, the second was within at the turn of the stair leading to the ash pit...unless you know for a fact that the cellar door was locked, (to stop people stealing the ash perhaps?) then children might well have had access...

Plus Bury wouldn't have talked with a London accent and why would the children know he'd been in London?

The Bury's made no secret of where they'd come from...and in those distant days of little other outside amusement, knowing all about your neighbours came as second nature...I expect the entire neighbourhood knew where they'd come from within days (if not hours) of their arrival...

All the best

Dave

[John Wheat]

There's no evidence at all that either William or Ellen wrote either grafitto...as the door concerned was publicly accessible at the rear of the building, the odds are, that, as suggested by the local press, it was a comment, (either pre or post mortem) by the local youth who were simply linking with the London connection...

To Dave

There's also no evidence to suggest the chalk messages were written by the local children. Also one of the chalk messages was written inside the residence which the children would have had no access too. Plus Bury wouldn't have talked with a London accent and why would the children know he'd been in London?

Cheers John

[Cogidubnus]

There's no evidence at all that either William or Ellen wrote either grafitto...as the door concerned was publicly accessible at the rear of the building, the odds are, that, as suggested by the local press, it was a comment, (either pre or post mortem) by the local youth who were simply linking with the London connection...

All the best

Dave

[Abby Normal]

As the police said, it's likely Scottish youngsters poking fun as the new neigbours with their strange English accents

This is probably correct