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Joe and Mary Jane
Hello, Jaden--
It took me a little while to find this, but I posted this back in September of this year on the "Maxwell Discrepancy" thread in the Witnesses section of Casebook:
"I think it was another witness who claimed to see Mary Kelly in the bar, but the rest of your first paragraph is correct.
But this is all based on the idea that IF Maxwell was correct in identifying Kelly, THEN she must have been murdered later... What if we look at it from a different point of view?
What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense.
Unless Joe wanted a woman who resembled Mary in order to have her impersonate Mary, the previous evening. Was Hutchinson in on the plot as well?
Perhaps distracting the police with their search for a phony man in a fancy coat?
Joe identified the dead woman as Mary, because he knew she could still escape. Did he disappear as well?"
It seems pertinent to your questions here, and is perhaps the best way to answer your questions to me. As you can see, I like the idea of Joe helping Mary escape (from whatever the threat was), and being the one who "identifies" the corpse as being that of MJK.
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It took me a little while to find this, but I posted this back in September of this year on the "Maxwell Discrepancy" thread in the Witnesses section of Casebook:
"I think it was another witness who claimed to see Mary Kelly in the bar, but the rest of your first paragraph is correct.
But this is all based on the idea that IF Maxwell was correct in identifying Kelly, THEN she must have been murdered later... What if we look at it from a different point of view?
What if Mary and Joe decided to fix up a hoax to help Mary slip away from whatever she seemed to be afraid of (whether JtR, ex-boyfriend, McCarty, Fenians, fill in the blank), and they decided to let the room that night. Maybe Joe promised he'd handle the details if she went into hiding. Maybe he (or they) went out and found a woman (probably in a pub) that was similar to Mary Jane in height, hair and eye color, offered her a safe place in MJK's room, then went away. I don't think they meant to have the woman murdered, but needed an occupant in the place while they snuck away leaving the rent unpaid. Perhaps Mary Jane returned early in the morning, found the terrible scene, and became sick at the sight and her near escape. That would allow for the sightings of her that morning to make sense... Although, I admit, her actions the previous night, as well as being seen the following morning don't really make a lot of sense.
Unless Joe wanted a woman who resembled Mary in order to have her impersonate Mary, the previous evening. Was Hutchinson in on the plot as well?
Perhaps distracting the police with their search for a phony man in a fancy coat?
Joe identified the dead woman as Mary, because he knew she could still escape. Did he disappear as well?"
It seems pertinent to your questions here, and is perhaps the best way to answer your questions to me. As you can see, I like the idea of Joe helping Mary escape (from whatever the threat was), and being the one who "identifies" the corpse as being that of MJK.
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