Suspect Witnesses?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Why can’t the couple be Spooner and his lady friend? They were around. They had returned from a pub in Commercial Road so why couldn’t they have walked down Berner Street and gone left into Fairclough? Might they have stopped on the corner for a short time to be seen by Brown? Is it impossible that after Spooner went to the yard with Diemschitz his girlfriend decided to walk round there to see what was going on (where she’d spoken to Fanny)?

[NotBlamedForNothing]

I find it fascinating how the only time the girl stated she was alone, was when she walked past the yard a few minutes before midnight, and up to meet her young man at the top of the street at the junction with Commercial Road.

The rest of the statement is spoken in the context of them both being together...

...even for the walk back down Berner St.

Literally

And apparently I am the one whose not sticking to the known evidence.

As you know, Wickerman wants to append " and back again" to "we went for a short walk along the Commercial-road and back again, and down Berner-street", on the basis that this is implied. The problem is that the sentence and report make sense without those supposedly implied words. The couple went down Berner St together, and she notes that no one passed them when doing so. The report implies that this was occurring at close to 12:30. A stroll along Berner St is going to take about 2 minutes, at which point they say goodnight to each other. So, just before that they were at the top of Berner St, were they saw a man walking in the direction of Aldgate.

As I said previously, the young woman's "just before" is like Mortimer's "just gone indoors", in regard to timespan - a couple of minutes.

Would be nice if we knew who the couple were. I'll take a punt on the identity of the man.

Charles Letchford, living at 30 Berner street, says:- "I passed through the street at half past 12, and everything seemed to me to be going on as usual, and my sister was standing at the door at ten minutes to one, but did not see anyone pass by. I heard the commotion when the body was found, and heard the policemen's whistles, but did not take any notice of the matter, as disturbances are very frequent at the club, and I thought it was only another row."

This happened to me before when Schwartz stated he got "as far as the gateway" when he witnessed the assault on Stride.

Not from half way up the road

He had to be in visual sight of Stride to see her being assaulted in the first place.

And yet again, apparently I wasn't sticking to the known facts.

Some of us can seemingly alter and manipulate statements to fit things, while others can't.

Yes, Schwartz was seemingly so close the action that it's a wonder he wasn't regarded as being an intruder. Oh wait ...

I think you and I are in the minority on this.

We both know that Schwartz was dodgy for example.

I know we differ on this couple thing, but at least with you there's never any attempt to quash someone else's ideas.

I appreciate every single time you post, as you've always got something constructive to say, whether I agree with it or not.

Thanks. Keep up your good work.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Why can’t the couple be Spooner and his lady friend? They were around. They had returned from a pub in Commercial Road so why couldn’t they have walked down Berner Street and gone left into Fairclough? Might they have stopped on the corner for a short time to be seen by Brown? Is it impossible that after Spooner went to the yard with Diemschitz his girlfriend decided to walk round there to see what was going on (where she’d spoken to Fanny)?

I reckon that is exactly what happened to Spooner's lady friend, after Edward left her on the street. Presumably, he ran off with her saying something like "I'll meet you there". For this to work we must suppose Fanny thought that the pub they were outside was the Nelson, when in fact it was the Beehive. Hence her belief that they had been less than 20 yards from the murder.

Anyone who disagrees with this theory will need to explain what became of the lady friend left alone on Fairclough St.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I reckon that is exactly what happened to Spooner's lady friend, after Edward left her on the street. Presumably, he ran off with her saying something like "I'll meet you there". For this to work we must suppose Fanny thought that the pub they were outside was the Nelson, when in fact it was the Beehive. Hence her belief that they had been less than 20 yards from the murder.

Anyone who disagrees with this theory will need to explain what became of the lady friend left alone on Fairclough St.

Does this mean that we agree on something Andrew?