Conspiracy to suppress the identity of JTR?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I suppose the argument would be that they DID get away with it. It doesn't matter if a bunch of nobodies spend all day chewing the fat and there's occasionally puff pieces on the discovery channel, life went on and the party line is that Oswald acted alone.

Even if Oswald was the only gunman, I'd be very surprised if the assassination was not managed.

And I have no problem with anyone believing or suspecting that Harry. I have to add that I’ve met quite a few people that believe in a Conspiracy who definitely aren’t loonies. It’s just when some (Fishy) talk as if it’s an established fact. He has form for it.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Extraordinary last two post Herlock , where have you been living the past 50 years ? oh my my, now if you posted that in Hmmm say 1964 you just have something, but in case you haven't noticed its 2019.

How anyone today, '''with all what we now know''', could still believe that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone is sheer madness.



You might want to rethink that one my friend , you be wrong .

Both the rifle and the pistol were bought via mail order through the name A.J. Hidell. Hidell has never been traced. Amazing coincidence though....when Oswald was arrested he had a library card in the name of A.J. Hidell....who he’d never heard of of course.

How could we believe that there might not have been a conspiracy? You could start by reading Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi (one of America’s foremost criminal prosecutors). A 1500 page analysis of the case resulting from 20 years of research. And what conclusion does he come to? Oswald alone.

Im no longer really interested in the case much so I’m not going to get into debates (especially with someone with your poor grasp of reason)

Ill say one thing to end though. The easiest thing in the world is to ‘discover’ a conspiracy. You find errors and contradictions and attach sinister meanings. You look so deeply that you see mystery in absolutely every triviality. You respond to every reasoned argument with ‘well they would say that wouldn’t they.’ Add this to the fact that you have a fertile field in which to plant your seeds. We know that governments lie of course but conspiracies feed into the paranoia. “It must have been the Big Bad Government.” Those Warren Commissioner guys were all suit wearing politicians....of course they were evil.

I’m glad I’m not involved in the JFK madness. But to someone like you, that actually believes that a 72 year old Queen’s Physician Road around Whitechapel in a carriage mutilating prostitutes on the order of the Freemasons, then I guess you’ll feel at home.

[mpriestnall]

BTW, Some members of WS1888 are interested in the JFK killing: http://dealeyplazauk.com/

Not me though particularly, one conspiracy is enough for me...

Martyn

[Harry D]

And just to add....I’m not saying that some kind of plot couldn’t have occurred. What I’m suggesting is that this is in no way obvious as Fishy suggests. What always concerned me when I was more interested in the assassination was this question - if some powerful group wanted Kennedy dead could they really not have come up with a better, more efficient plan than one involving someone like Oswald? With all of the resources that they would have had at their disposal? A professional assassin with a top quality rifle. Ideally located and with a well thought out and planned escape route? No evidence left behind? Game over. But no, we have an average shot with a dodgy rifle and a trail of evidence that Inspector Clouseau couldn’t have missed. Can we think of a more certain way to attract unwanted scrutiny? Especially in the murder of the most powerful man in the world. So much so that it’s still being debated 56 years later. This makes no sense.

I suppose the argument would be that they DID get away with it. It doesn't matter if a bunch of nobodies spend all day chewing the fat and there's occasionally puff pieces on the discovery channel, life went on and the party line is that Oswald acted alone.

Even if Oswald was the only gunman, I'd be very surprised if the assassination was not managed.

[FISHY1118]

Extraordinary last two post Herlock , where have you been living the past 50 years ? oh my my, now if you posted that in Hmmm say 1964 you just have something, but in case you haven't noticed its 2019.

How anyone today, '''with all what we now know''', could still believe that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone is sheer madness.

The pistol that killed Tippit is his pistol.

You might want to rethink that one my friend , you be wrong .

[Herlock Sholmes]

And just to add....I’m not saying that some kind of plot couldn’t have occurred. What I’m suggesting is that this is in no way obvious as Fishy suggests. What always concerned me when I was more interested in the assassination was this question - if some powerful group wanted Kennedy dead could they really not have come up with a better, more efficient plan than one involving someone like Oswald? With all of the resources that they would have had at their disposal? A professional assassin with a top quality rifle. Ideally located and with a well thought out and planned escape route? No evidence left behind? Game over. But no, we have an average shot with a dodgy rifle and a trail of evidence that Inspector Clouseau couldn’t have missed. Can we think of a more certain way to attract unwanted scrutiny? Especially in the murder of the most powerful man in the world. So much so that it’s still being debated 56 years later. This makes no sense.

[Herlock Sholmes]

How anyone today, with all what we now know, could still believe that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone is sheer madness. It shows just how gullible and excepting of the political propaganda with the warren commission garbage the uneducated masses can be so easily fooled .


AGAIN THIS FITS WITH YOU HERLOCK AND THE MILLIONS THAT STILL BELIEVE THE WARREN COMMISSION .

I notice that you haven’t answered the specifics. Just the usual conspiracy theorist foaming at the mouth. It’s soooooo obviously a conspiracy and yet even conspiracy theorist persist in verbally beating each other up over which conspiracy to choose from. The list is endless. Pretty much everyone has been blamed at one time or another. Theories vie with each other; each more preposterous than the other.

People kill each other everyday. People get assassinated. Why is it so incredible that a disaffected little nobody like Oswald shot Kennedy from a window then tried to escape but got caught? Why is that less believable than some far-fetched conspiracy involving about 10,000 people! Do we really believe that these power groups that have been blamed couldn’t have come up with a more efficient plan than using a loser like Oswald? To leave him roaming the streets of Dallas, to be arrested at the risk of him spilling the conspiratorial beans. Ask any assassin or sniper whether they could have done a better job or come up with a better plan? Would a professional assassin have missed Kennedy entirely, in a slow moving car, with one bullet and pointlessly hit him in the back with another? This wasn’t a professional assassin. A professional assassin would have needed one bullet in the head - a slow moving car, moving away in a line and not side to side? No assassin would have needed more than one shot.

So what’s left? The rifle used is found where Oswald was working. It’s his gun. It has his prints on it. He scarpers. The pistol that killed Tippit is his pistol. Witnesses identify him. His friend says that he had a long package with him when he went to work. When he left for work he left his wedding ring and and pretty much all of his money. His family and friends knew where he kept a rifle but after the murder it wasn’t there.

Why does any of this speak of an obvious conspiracy?

[FISHY1118]

How anyone today, with all what we now know, could still believe that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone is sheer madness. It shows just how gullible and excepting of the political propaganda with the warren commission garbage the uneducated masses can be so easily fooled .


AGAIN THIS FITS WITH YOU HERLOCK AND THE MILLIONS THAT STILL BELIEVE THE WARREN COMMISSION .

[Herlock Sholmes]

And on the ‘patsy’ issue. As far as I can recall the problem is that when CT show the clip where Oswald says this they conveniently cut it off. They never play the next part where he says something about only being arrested because he’d lived in the Soviet Union. So when he said what he did what he was actually saying was - they’ve only arrested me because I lived in the Soviet Union. Nothing about being set up as part of a plot.

Does anyone else also find it strange that it’s claimed that Ruby ‘silenced’ Oswald? If he had so much dangerous knowledge why did ‘they’ allow him to wander around Dallas until he was arrested in a cinema? Why didn’t Oswald spill the beans before he was killed? He had ample opportunity. Do we really believe that ‘they’ whoever they were couldn’t have simply killed Kennedy and gotten away undetected without involving a complete loser like Oswald? One who might have spilled the beans? None of this makes sense.

And if you are a conspiracy theorist which one of the million do you go for? CIA - KGB - Mafia - Military - Cubans - French assassin backed by drug dealers - Southern racists - Woody Harrelson’s dad - guy in a drain - man with an umbrella/gun - Kennedy’s driver! - security man who’s gun went off as the car jolted - assassin hired by LBJ - crazed police officer. Do we believe that Kennedy’s wounds were altered during an operation aboard Airforce One? Do we believe that there were actually two Oswalds? Do we believe that a conspiracy so far-reaching and involving so many people could possibly have been kept quiet for 56 years?

All I’m saying is that it’s very easy to construct a conspiracy theory and you have an eager audience waiting to drink it all in and then add bits and deduct bits. The only thing that hasn’t been suggested (as far as I know) is that either Jackie did it or he committed suicide.

Avoid JFK World like the plague. It’s like Conley Hatch with internet access.

[Herlock Sholmes]

STICK TO WARREN COMMISSION HERLOCK, YOUR JUST THE TYPE OF PERSON IT WAS WRITTEN FOR

Ok....so you have no answer....no real evidence....no problem.....I never thought that you did.....typical conspiracy theorist really.

[FISHY1118]

STICK TO WARREN COMMISSION HERLOCK, YOUR JUST THE TYPE OF PERSON IT WAS WRITTEN FOR

[Herlock Sholmes]

I haven't got the time or the inclination to waste with the uneducated such as yourself herlock, you do your research and youll find out , or better still just sick to the warren commission report thats more your level of understanding where jfk is concerned

Explaining how you know for certain that the shots came from the other side could have been achieved in around the same amount of words that you’ve used up with your pointless, insulting response.

You made the claim as a fact. You didn’t say that it was your opinion.

of course you refuse to answer....because you cannot back up your claim.

[FISHY1118]

I’ll ask again...how do you know for certain that the shots came from the other side?

Impress us all with your cast iron evidence.

And it’s a bit rich to be called gullible by the only person on planet Earth that still believes the Stephen Knight theory.

Stick to Enid Blyton.

I haven't got the time or the inclination to waste with the uneducated such as yourself herlock, you do your research and youll find out , or better still just sick to the warren commission report thats more your level of understanding where jfk is concerned

[Herlock Sholmes]

A gullible as ever warren commission sucker has just turned up , Go play with your toy cars and blocks, you clearly know very little about such things.

I’ll ask again...how do you know for certain that the shots came from the other side?

Impress us all with your cast iron evidence.

And it’s a bit rich to be called gullible by the only person on planet Earth that still believes the Stephen Knight theory.

Stick to Enid Blyton.

[FISHY1118]

Were you there? How can you state this as a fact?

A gullible as ever warren commission sucker has just turned up , Go play with your toy cars and blocks, you clearly know very little about such things.