Conspiracy to suppress the identity of JTR?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Indeed there was shots fired from the six floor of the Texas book depository, but not from the window that was claimed Oswald shot from . They actually came from the opposite side .

Were you there? How can you state this as a fact?

[APerno]

I don't think it helped that Oswald was silenced by someone who was mobbed up, and the ballistics would suggest at least a second gunman.

Actually the ballistics no longer says that.

[APerno]

A little on the defensive side Tony. As you see in my post Kennedy is definitively linked with organized crime at that time, they helped him get the job, and perhaps they helped him retire abruptly when he bit the hand that fed him. But most see the Cuba-Soviet issues, and sub issues, as most probably the source of the assassin(s).

I personally believe without a doubt that at least 1 shot was fired from the grassy knoll. And I believe someone shot from the 6th floor using Oswalds rifle. I also believe he was as he claimed..a "patsy".

Hey only people from New Jersey can call me Tony. -- I can't tell if you are teasing me back or not. LOL -- So for the record, all I wrote was with tongue firmly in cheek.

I believe there is a possible Italian mob connection, but not the way you probably do. But with me being a guy named Tony from New Jersey, I'm probably right; you're just a guy named 'Richard' from London, you should stick to nephews and kings.

But in short (if one buys into the mob connection theory, which I don't, too romantic) the issue/problem was RFK; he refused to be reasonable and so to get him out of power they whacked his brother. People were becoming desperate, looking at very long prison terms, the kind that takes your entire life away. RFK was a crusader, a true believer, and therefore unreasonable and had to go.

From some web page:

"But RFK had in only a few short years produced lasting results in his campaign of stepped-up enforcement against organized crime, from intelligence gathering to indictments and convictions. By the time he left as A.G., his office had indicted 687 organized crime figures. Its conviction rate reached nearly 90 percent. His targets included New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello, Chicago Outfit second-in-command Sam Giancana, Joseph Bonanno’s crime family in New York, Raymond Patriarca’s Mafia family in Rhode Island and the DeCavalcante crime group of New Jersey. Giancana’s brother Chuck would write that to Sam’s surprise since the 1960 election, “Bobby Kennedy, now ensconced as the attorney general, was orchestrating what would become the largest attack on organized crime in the nation’s history."

And before you ask, why not then just whack RFK, it's because then the brother could/would have turned on them with a vengeance, but whack the brother and the unreasonable 'little Irish prick' becomes a eunuch (not to mention that you can then distract with all kinds of nonsensical suspects, Castro, KGB, LBJ, CIA, Walt Disney, and on and on . . . on the other hand, whack the 'little Irish prick' and it points back in one direction only, right back to the Mob.)

Of course I don't believe any of this; the grassy knoll is old news 'nobody goes there anymore!' And the head snapping back thing has been so overworked that they played it out as a comical refrain on Seinfeld. News must travel slow across the pond.

Anthony Perno, aka 'Tony the Bolt'

[FISHY1118]

I personally believe without a doubt that at least 1 shot was fired from the grassy knoll. And I believe someone shot from the 6th floor using Oswalds rifle. I also believe he was as he claimed..a "patsy".

Indeed there was shots fired from the six floor of the Texas book depository, but not from the window that was claimed Oswald shot from . They actually came from the opposite side .

[Michael W Richards]

That's right, go ahead and blame the Italians. I would ask what happened to the usual 'blaming the Irish,' I know we all agree on that, but I guess that doesn't work here. So right away you jump on my people, I see!

Anthony Perno

A little on the defensive side Tony. As you see in my post Kennedy is definitively linked with organized crime at that time, they helped him get the job, and perhaps they helped him retire abruptly when he bit the hand that fed him. But most see the Cuba-Soviet issues, and sub issues, as most probably the source of the assassin(s).

I personally believe without a doubt that at least 1 shot was fired from the grassy knoll. And I believe someone shot from the 6th floor using Oswalds rifle. I also believe he was as he claimed..a "patsy".

[Michael W Richards]

Its a fascinating read Michael , goes right back to where the mafia stated infiltrating the American political system, even in Capones time as boss, using such methods that eventually lead to the jfk assassination .

I recall reading about Joe Sr's dealings with the North East Labour leaders, who at the time were reportedly underworld figures, trying to win votes for JFK. Those votes helped elect him. Then he and RFK launch a vendetta against the Mafia, which they felt was just pissing in the face of those that helped him get into office. Then we have the fact that JFK is playing with Giancanna's girlfriend on the side. And theres the link with Ruby.

What I said earlier about anti Castro factions though seems to me to wrap up more loose ends and addresses the primary features,.... Oswald, CIA, Cuba, Castro, Russians, and those 2 Cuban assassins who travelled to Dallas and left early that afternoon to fly out to a Caribbean destination and then home to Cuba.

[FISHY1118]

That's right, go ahead and blame the Italians. I would ask what happened to the usual 'blaming the Irish,' I know we all agree on that, but I guess that doesn't work here. So right away you jump on my people, I see!

How about a renegade MI6 operation bent on preservation of empire in reaction to JFK's Kuwaiti coup? After all he did a beautiful job of squeezing you all out of there, didn't he? It is a known fact that there were several English speaking ambulators on the grassy knoll that day; how do we account for them?

MI6 may be the overlooked linchpin to the JFK mystery. I'm going to start a thread.

Anthony Perno

Hi Anthony , its not just the Italian mafia that was involved, you have to remember Kennedy made a lot of enemies from different walks of life. Irish, American, Cuban and more importantly the men who were most close to him including one LBJ.

[APerno]

Its a fascinating read Michael , goes right back to where the mafia stated infiltrating the American political system, even in Capones time as boss, using such methods that eventually lead to the jfk assassination .

That's right, go ahead and blame the Italians. I would ask what happened to the usual 'blaming the Irish,' I know we all agree on that, but I guess that doesn't work here. So right away you jump on my people, I see!

How about a renegade MI6 operation bent on preservation of empire in reaction to JFK's Kuwaiti coup? After all he did a beautiful job of squeezing you all out of there, didn't he? It is a known fact that there were several English speaking ambulators on the grassy knoll that day; how do we account for them?

MI6 may be the overlooked linchpin to the JFK mystery. I'm going to start a thread.

Anthony Perno

[FISHY1118]

Havent read that one, thanks Fishy. I would assume that it deals with JFK's affair with Sams girlfriend and perhaps the labour industry which Kennedy senior romanced to get JFK elected?

Its a fascinating read Michael , goes right back to where the mafia stated infiltrating the American political system, even in Capones time as boss, using such methods that eventually lead to the jfk assassination .

[Graham]

Albeit more than 40 years ago, I was taken to Dealey Plaza during a business trip to Dallas, when I was living in the USA. I can't recall too much about that visit, but I do remember remarking to the guy who took me that it was a 'hell of a good shot' to hit a moving target that distance from the Book Depository. The man who took me was convinced there was another shooter on the 'grassy knoll', and he was also certain that someone on the ground waved a newspaper to indicate to Oswald, or whoever was up there in the Book Depository, that the Presidential motorcade was on its way to Elm Street, the site of the shooting, via Houston Street. I don't know where he got this information from, and didn't ask, as he was my host on a sight-seeing visit to Dallas. He was also kind of scary......

Graham

[Michael W Richards]

Heres a good one michael ... ''Doublecross'' by Sam Giancana jnr

Havent read that one, thanks Fishy. I would assume that it deals with JFK's affair with Sams girlfriend and perhaps the labour industry which Kennedy senior romanced to get JFK elected?

[John Malcolm]

If it was someone like Kosminski, then I could see the Police trying to suppress JTR's identity.

This makes too much sense, but still the suggestion will be drowned out by specious arguments. I'm with you on this one.

[FISHY1118]

Interesting what so many people think about the JFK case. Ive read every book that I could get my hands on about this assassination, and subsequent books like the one Marina contributed to. Ive concluded that of the many theories floating since that day, the one that has the US government being responsible is the most plausible, even if instigating second hand Anti Castro freedom fighters...whom Kennedy greatly disappointed with his failed CIA invasion. They thought Kennedy betrayed them. Not Castro. Not Russia. There are 2 known Cuban assassins who arrived a day or 2 earlier, left that day, and flew home via the Caribbean instead of directly. Just saying...kind of suspicious to me. The Anti Castro movement suffered a lot as a result of being left without support from the US.

Heres a good one michael ... ''Doublecross'' by Sam Giancana jnr

[FISHY1118]

I love your posts.

The Pepsi Challenge: Name one major event you don't see conspiracy in?

Here's a starter list: Moon Landing; Pearl Harbor; Lincoln Assassination; RFK Assassination; MLK Jr. Assassination; . . .

1. R.F.K definitely.

2 M.L.K, possible .

3 PEARL H 50/50.


How anyone today, with all what we now know, could still believe that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone is sheer madness. It shows just how gullible and excepting of the political propaganda with the warren commission garbage the uneducated masses can be so easily fooled .

[Abby Normal]

Interesting what so many people think about the JFK case. Ive read every book that I could get my hands on about this assassination, and subsequent books like the one Marina contributed to. Ive concluded that of the many theories floating since that day, the one that has the US government being responsible is the most plausible, even if instigating second hand Anti Castro freedom fighters...whom Kennedy greatly disappointed with his failed CIA invasion. They thought Kennedy betrayed them. Not Castro. Not Russia. There are 2 known Cuban assassins who arrived a day or 2 earlier, left that day, and flew home via the Caribbean instead of directly. Just saying...kind of suspicious to me. The Anti Castro movement suffered a lot as a result of being left without support from the US.

hi mr
I see some validity in this. apparently the anti castro Cuban expatriots thought JFK betrayed them when he failed to authorize air support for the failed Bay of pigs fiasco. added to that Bobby kennedy was supposedly head of a secret mission to assisinate castro, with help from this same anti castro Cuban expats group. there was a couple failed attempts at killing castro, and according to this theory when they couldn't get castro they targeted the next best object of there ire-JFK (without RFKs knowledge of course). Im not sure how much all of this could be true, nor if the plan went up the ladder very far, but I don't think its too crazy to think that somehow Oswald knew one of these guys and they hooked up on it.

one thing for sure, and ive been around the military, hunters and experts shooters my whole life and when this discussion comes up, a very close source of mine who is an expert shooter confirms that 99 times out of 100 if you get shot in the back of the head with a rifle bullet, the head goes forward as if hit or punched very hard from behind. he says it looks very clearly from the film that JFK is shot from the front. I think its a distinct possibility too.

another interesting aside. I was at Mardi Gras along time ago and got a cab ride from a cabbie who said he was the kevin Bacon character in the movie JFK (danny ferrys gay lover?) and also got a cameo in the movie-some bar scene. anyway he told us that there was another shooter-he was actually going on and on but we were so hammered we didn't remember all the details but the next day we all agreed he definitely said there was another shooter from the front. who knows?