Conspiracy to suppress the identity of JTR?

[Michael W Richards]

Interesting what so many people think about the JFK case. Ive read every book that I could get my hands on about this assassination, and subsequent books like the one Marina contributed to. Ive concluded that of the many theories floating since that day, the one that has the US government being responsible is the most plausible, even if instigating second hand Anti Castro freedom fighters...whom Kennedy greatly disappointed with his failed CIA invasion. They thought Kennedy betrayed them. Not Castro. Not Russia. There are 2 known Cuban assassins who arrived a day or 2 earlier, left that day, and flew home via the Caribbean instead of directly. Just saying...kind of suspicious to me. The Anti Castro movement suffered a lot as a result of being left without support from the US.

[APerno]

I don't think it helped that Oswald was silenced by someone who was mobbed up, and the ballistics would suggest at least a second gunman.

If I was to go with any cover-up conspiracy theory (and I am not sure I do) it would be the Secret Service accidental firing (the kill shot) from the car behind the president. The theory argues that the agent grabbed the rifle off the floor of the car after the first shot was heard and when his car stepped on the accelerated he jerk backwards and discharged the weapon. What plays to this theory is that that particular weapon was never recovered and got lost in the inventory, while several witnesses including Governor Connally swore they could smell gunpowder (which of course could never have come from the warehouse above.) I do not buy the second (deliberate) shooter conspiracy theory there simply isn't enough evidence to warrant that; although I do believe that other people knew of Oswald's intention (before hand) and remained silent. A conspiracy of silence I believe.

Jack Ruby knew he was going to die from a terminal disease. -- But there is no doubt that it is common Mob practice for them to take out their own hit-man if they believe he won't stand up to interrogation, so Ruby's Mob connections does lend itself to that theory.

[Abby Normal]

I don't think it helped that Oswald was silenced by someone who was mobbed up, and the ballistics would suggest at least a second gunman.

bingo-although it dosnt have to be some huge gov conspiracy. however, id be more inclined to think someone else was involved if not for the fact that Oswald had tried to earlier on his own, tried to assassinate someone else. Tha being said I still think theres a chance there was another shooter from the front.

[Harry D]

Some argue that the JFK conspiracies come about because most people just can't believe that such a profound/important event could possibly be attributed to a lone gunman for such a pointless reason. It is possible the same can be said about the Ripper Murders. Many just can't accept that something that has lasted this long in the public mind can be the result of nothing more than an unimportant and sad individual. They think, "There just has to be more to it." -- But there probably isn't.

I don't think it helped that Oswald was silenced by someone who was mobbed up, and the ballistics would suggest at least a second gunman.

[APerno]

You have it back to front, ''Oswald'' was the conspiracy

I love your posts.

The Pepsi Challenge: Name one major event you don't see conspiracy in?

Here's a starter list: Moon Landing; Pearl Harbor; Lincoln Assassination; RFK Assassination; MLK Jr. Assassination; . . .

[Michael W Richards]

You have it back to front, ''Oswald'' was the conspiracy

If you mean he was "the story" put forward, then I agree with you. What really happened there is something much broader and insidious.

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Michael,

But this "mad killer at large" was unidentified and therefore could have been anyone including the men at The International Club.

c.d.

The man who killed Liz Stride was obviously not interested in mutilating her after the single throat cut, therefore was not the "mad" killer on the loose.

[FISHY1118]

Some argue that the JFK conspiracies come about because most people just can't believe that such a profound/important event could possibly be attributed to a lone gunman for such a pointless reason. It is possible the same can be said about the Ripper Murders. Many just can't accept that something that has lasted this long in the public mind can be the result of nothing more than an unimportant and sad individual. They think, "There just has to be more to it." -- But there probably isn't.

You have it back to front, ''Oswald'' was the conspiracy

[Losmandris]

Some argue that the JFK conspiracies come about because most people just can't believe that such a profound/important event could possibly be attributed to a lone gunman for such a pointless reason. It is possible the same can be said about the Ripper Murders. Many just can't accept that something that has lasted this long in the public mind can be the result of nothing more than an unimportant and sad individual. They think, "There just has to be more to it." -- But there probably isn't.

I think you are right. There are just too many good elements almost not for the story to not become wrapped up in fantasy/conspiracy. It has now become so romanticised almost, its difficult sometimes to remind ourselves just how grim and straightforward it was back then.

No big story, no conspiracy just human frailty and limitations mixed with a hell of a lot of luck on the part of the killer.

Tristan

[APerno]

Some argue that the JFK conspiracies come about because most people just can't believe that such a profound/important event could possibly be attributed to a lone gunman for such a pointless reason. It is possible the same can be said about the Ripper Murders. Many just can't accept that something that has lasted this long in the public mind can be the result of nothing more than an unimportant and sad individual. They think, "There just has to be more to it." -- But there probably isn't.

[Semper_Eadem]

If it was someone like Kosminski, then I could see the Police trying to suppress JTR's identity. They would not want to have another riot on their hands. That is the only scenario though where I could see that happening. In any other circumstance they probably would of been quite keen to broadcast that they had caught JTR.

[Losmandris]

Hear hear

There seems to be something about the Ripper murders that attracts conspiracy theory. Is it because it was the 'original' serial murder case? Is it because Victorian London lends itself so easily to political intrigue? Who knows! The idea that a knife-wielding lunatic was butchering women for jollies is too simplistic for some people.

I totally agree. Maybe it is just because so much time has passed without any real conclusions. I very doubt that at the time either the police or the public thought it was anybody but a local psychopath.

Tristan

[Harry D]

I mean if Ted Bundy had never been caught, would anyone have every given credit to a theory that the murders had been carried out by Nixon or a member of the senate or a member of Jackson 5? I seriously doubt it. The fact that JtR was never caught has seemed to have given licence to accuse anyone, the only requirement being that they had to be alive at the time.

Tristan

Hear hear

There seems to be something about the Ripper murders that attracts conspiracy theory. Is it because it was the 'original' serial murder case? Is it because Victorian London lends itself so easily to political intrigue? Who knows! The idea that a knife-wielding lunatic was butchering women for jollies is too simplistic for some people.

[mpriestnall]

I mean if Ted Bundy had never been caught, would anyone have every given credit to a theory that the murders had been carried out by Nixon or a member of the senate or a member of Jackson 5? I seriously doubt it. The fact that JtR was never caught has seemed to have given licence to accuse anyone, the only requirement being that they had to be alive at the time.

Tristan

I dont know...Nixon was rather tricky....

Martyn

[Losmandris]

Hi Tristan,

What you say is very reasonable and plausible.

I think most people think like you that "there's nothing to see here, move along".

Some don't, like me.

BTW my views expressed here on CB are, for the best part, based on my research into my own candidate.

regards,

Martyn

I mean if Ted Bundy had never been caught, would anyone have every given credit to a theory that the murders had been carried out by Nixon or a member of the senate or a member of Jackson 5? I seriously doubt it. The fact that JtR was never caught has seemed to have given licence to accuse anyone, the only requirement being that they had to be alive at the time.

Tristan