The Goulston Street Juwes

[The Good Michael]

Really? Why not?

It was used by Puritans and was also used in literature, though uncommon.

Mike

[David Orsam]

If the GSG was an accusation aimed at the City of London police, then why throw the apron down in the entry to a dwelling mainly used by Jewish people and chalk the message on the brick fascia of the building? Why not "The London City coppers are the men that will not be blamed for nothing"?

If it's aimed at the City police it's odd that Commissioner Smith wanted the graffiti kept and Warren insisted on it being rubbed out for fear of anti-Jewish riots. Unless of course, the message about the Jewes was too subtle for the police, in which case it entirely failed in its intent, didn't it?

I agree entirely and would add that if Paul Harrison is correct about the City Police having had such a nickname based on 'Old Jewry' it would probably only have been spoken but would naturally have been written as "Jews" (although I don't suppose anyone really was in a position to know) which not only seems to be a strange and confusing nickname but means that the writing on the wall still contains a spelling mistake and thus might equally have meant Jewish men. The theory expressed that by deliberately mis-spelling the word the writer was drawing attention to it thereby highlighting that he was referring to the City Police does not seem to me to make any sense.

[David Orsam]

And again, "Jewes" would not have been an incorrect spelling.

Really? Why not?

[David Orsam]

Always assuming that it actually was a mis-spelling.

Yes, quite, Bridewell but your earlier post said "Why was that word, and that word only, wrongly spelt?" which is what prompted my observation about the spelling in spyglass' post.

[Rosella]

If the GSG was an accusation aimed at the City of London police, then why throw the apron down in the entry to a dwelling mainly used by Jewish people and chalk the message on the brick fascia of the building? Why not "The London City coppers are the men that will not be blamed for nothing"?

If it's aimed at the City police it's odd that Commissioner Smith wanted the graffiti kept and Warren insisted on it being rubbed out for fear of anti-Jewish riots. Unless of course, the message about the Jewes was too subtle for the police, in which case it entirely failed in its intent, didn't it?

[The Good Michael]

And again, "Jewes" would not have been an incorrect spelling. It seems to have been one or the other, "Juwes" or "Jewes". How one wants it to be spelled makes a world of difference between the two.

Mike

[Bridewell]

[QUOTE=Pierre;372765]

Hi,

I think your post is a perfect example of critical thinking at a simple level. Very relevant and with really interesting questions.

The spelling isn't actually that terrible though, is it? Words like 'blamed' and 'nothing' are spelt correctly.

That is an extremely important comment. Yes, it seems it is the unique combination of letters here that makes up this seemingly incorrect spelling.



This is one of the best questions I have ever seen here on Casebook. It is rational and clear and gives a perfect frame for critical thinking.



And here begins the important explorative thinking that could lead us to really interesting answers, I think. Thanks, Bridewell, for a brilliant post.

Kind regards, Pierre

I think 'brilliant' may be a little over-generous - but thank-you anyway!

[Bridewell]

Not a criticism of you spyglass, just an observation that a mis-spelling of single word in a sentence does not necessarily imbue that word with significance.

Always assuming that it actually was a mis-spelling.

[Bridewell]

Given that every word is spelt correctly in the above post other than the word "proberbly" what is the significance of that mis-spelling?

'Proberbly' none.

[Sam Flynn]

Not a criticism of you spyglass, just an observation that a mis-spelling of single word in a sentence does not necessarily imbue that word with significance.

Quite so; and your point is well-demonstrated.

[David Orsam]

Ouch!
I'm guessing the significance maybe the writer of the GSG didn't have his spellcheck on when writing the word "Juwes".
In my defence, I am on here using a phone rather than a PC, and my eyes arn't what they used to be.

Not a criticism of you spyglass, just an observation that a mis-spelling of single word in a sentence does not necessarily imbue that word with significance.

[spyglass]

Given that every word is spelt correctly in the above post other than the word "proberbly" what is the significance of that mis-spelling?

Ouch!
I'm guessing the significance maybe the writer of the GSG didn't have his spellcheck on when writing the word "Juwes".
In my defence, I am on here using a phone rather than a PC, and my eyes arn't what they used to be.

Regards.

[David Orsam]

Hi all,
This has proberbly been asked before, but here goes anyway.
Assuming the graffito was written by the killer or someone who knew something about the murders, It crossed my mind today that maybe the word Juwes could be a family name or a gang/family name, someone or someone's with a reputation in the area.
This also could be a spelling mistake of a name, for example the name Jewiss is quite well known in my locality ( not in a bad way I may add ) and yet it is quite a rare name over all.

Any thoughts ?

Given that every word is spelt correctly in the above post other than the word "proberbly" what is the significance of that mis-spelling?

[spyglass]

Yes I can't help thinking that the word (assuming it was indeed spelt Juwes) was deliberate.

But then there's another take if the word was Jews or Jewes - given that the Ripper had just committed a murder in the City of London Police area, and their headquarters were at 26 The Old Jewry, it could have been an accusation aimed at the Police.

I have often thought about that as well, including the fact that Eddowes gave her name as "nothing" albeit at Bishopsgate.

As for my original post, I too was thinking about the correct spelling of "blamed " and " nothing " but a name such as Jewiss may cause some problems.

[Pierre]

I've often been taken by the Old Jewry angle.

Hi,

No idea.

Regards, Pierre