The Goulston Street Juwes

[David Orsam]

actually I think it reads:

Judges I do care for you. ; )

sorry couldn't resist.

Without wishing to be unnecessarily argumentative Abby, I think it is much more like "Jutes I do care for you". But then again my eyesight and ability to read is only equivalent to that of a nineteenth century police detective, i.e. very poor.

[Abby Normal]

I don't want to start a new debate about THIS graffiti but I just want to offer up one possibility.

Perhaps an anti-semitic person wrote:

JUWES
I DON'T
CARE
4 U

to which a local resident rubbed out the part of the word "DON'T" to turn it into "DO".

There's certainly a space for it (as you can see).

Just a thought.

actually I think it reads:

Judges I do care for you. ; )

sorry couldn't resist.

[David Orsam]

I believe you're referencing this video:

https://youtu.be/Va9FFPHBv4g

If you skip to the end, you'll see the graffiti in question.

I don't want to start a new debate about THIS graffiti but I just want to offer up one possibility.

Perhaps an anti-semitic person wrote:

JUWES
I DON'T
CARE
4 U

to which a local resident rubbed out the part of the word "DON'T" to turn it into "DO".

There's certainly a space for it (as you can see).

Just a thought.

[Errata]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

Wasn't there a dutch painter named Juwes?

[Harry D]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

I believe you're referencing this video:

https://youtu.be/Va9FFPHBv4g

If you skip to the end, you'll see the graffiti in question.

[Scott Nelson]

why would they deny it if they had seen it before?

Because they were scared. Graffiti written probably 6 to 8 hours before it was found by police, maybe seen by a few residents in the evening hours of the 29th, they didn't want to attract any further attention to their building. Better to just say they never noticed it before.

[spyglass]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

[Abby Normal]

So in reality it could have been there hours or even days (highly unlikely) before the crucial time..

Hi Geddy and scott

why would they deny it if they had seen it before?

if they had seen it at all, they would have wiped it off, maybe even reported it as an act of vandalism.

lets use some common sense here folks.

OK-lets try it this way-if you walked out your door and saw graffiti(in chalk no less-easy to get rid of) written in your doorway-what would you do? right. wipe it off.

That graffiti never saw the light of day.

[Geddy2112]

The residents would have denied the writing was there even if they'd seen it.

So in reality it could have been there hours or even days (highly unlikely) before the crucial time..

[David Orsam]

It was used by Puritans and was also used in literature, though uncommon.

Yes, this is perfectly true, albeit rarely used outside of the seventeenth century, but if you go far enough back you will also find "Juwes" as a correct spelling in Old English literature.

[Scott Nelson]

The residents would have denied the writing was there even if they'd seen it.

[Jon Guy]

When was the last time the wall was spotted graffiti free? Does this help with regards to if it could have been JtR etc?

A good question that we hope the detectives asked the residents.
Maybe, the police did get an answer as internal police memo`s stated that the message was undoubtedly written by the killer.

[Geddy2112]

When was the last time the wall was spotted graffiti free? Does this help with regards to if it could have been JtR etc?

[Jon Guy]

I recollect that a number of years back a poster (I think he was a Japanese gentleman) posited that the "J" might have been a misread "I" and that the "Juwes" might in fact have been a reference to the "IWES" (International Workingmen's Educational Society - although I think it was called a club rather than society). It might be improbable, but it is, I think, entirely possible. If it were a reference to the Workingmen's institution, which was effectively the site of Stride's murder, then that would make the juxtaposition of Eddowe's apron cutting an unmistakable message that both murders were by the same person.
I find it an interesting thought. One would then need to go back and reconsider the Saucy Jacky postcard referencing the double event and perhaps discount it as, if the murderer was in the business of taunting and dropping hints, why did he not reference the apron/kidney/graffito in the postcard?
That's my tuppence worth.
I now withdraw and leave it to better minds to carry on.

Similarly, if the SJ letter was a hoax, and written by a "journalist", why didn`t he mention the apron/kidney/graffito ?

[Qlder]

Cursive script

I recollect that a number of years back a poster (I think he was a Japanese gentleman) posited that the "J" might have been a misread "I" and that the "Juwes" might in fact have been a reference to the "IWES" (International Workingmen's Educational Society - although I think it was called a club rather than society). It might be improbable, but it is, I think, entirely possible. If it were a reference to the Workingmen's institution, which was effectively the site of Stride's murder, then that would make the juxtaposition of Eddowe's apron cutting an unmistakable message that both murders were by the same person.
I find it an interesting thought. One would then need to go back and reconsider the Saucy Jacky postcard referencing the double event and perhaps discount it as, if the murderer was in the business of taunting and dropping hints, why did he not reference the apron/kidney/graffito in the postcard?
That's my tuppence worth.
I now withdraw and leave it to better minds to carry on.