The broken window

[DJA]

Inspector Beck,according to Abberline.

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

Who sent the reply saying that the bloodhounds—which were not in London at the time—were on their way to Millers Court?

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

On 13th November 1888 Mr. Taunton told The Times, "there has not been a "police bloodhound"—that is to say a trained hound—in London for the past fortnight."

So what were the police waiting for in Millers Court between 11.30 am and 1.30 pm?

Regards,

Simon

Pretending they didn't know what was going on and pretty much laying the blame on Warren who had already resigned.

[David Orsam]

So what were the police waiting for in Millers Court between 11.30 am and 1.30 pm?

Hi Simon,

You've provided the answer to your question in your post. Inspector Abberline had been told by Inspector Beck that bloodhounds had been sent for, so he and Beck were waiting for those bloodhounds to arrive. It wasn't until 1.30pm that they learnt from Superintendent Arnold that the dogs weren't coming.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

What were the police waiting for in Millers Court between 11.30 am and 1.30 pm?

Bloodhounds?

Inspector Abberline told the inquest, "I had an intimation from Inspector Beck that the bloodhounds had been sent for, and the reply had been received that they were on the way. Dr. Phillips was unwilling to force the door, as it would be very much better to test the dogs, if they were coming. We remained until about 1.30 p.m., when Superintendent Arnold arrived, and he informed me that the order in regard to the dogs had been countermanded, and he gave orders for the door to be forced."

Around 25th October 1888 dog-handler Mr Taunton received a telegram asking him to go to Leman Street police station. On his arrival at around noon Superintendent Arnold told him that a robbery had taken place at 5.00 am in Commercial Street. Mr. Taunton was asked to track the thief by means of a bloodhound, and he told Superintendent Arnold of the stupidity of expecting a dog to accomplish anything after such a length of time had elapsed. Mr Taunton took the bloodhound home to 8 Doughty Street before returning it to Mr. Brough in Scarborough.

On 13th November 1888 Mr. Taunton told The Times, "there has not been a "police bloodhound"—that is to say a trained hound—in London for the past fortnight."

So what were the police waiting for in Millers Court between 11.30 am and 1.30 pm?

Regards,

Simon

[packers stem]

Waiting on bloodhounds that had already been recalled by their owner.

If he said he was waiting for bloodhound puppies to grow up some would still believe it.The fact that Warren had resigned by this time doesn't help matters so why they were waiting on any orders from him remains a mystery in itself

[DJA]

Waiting on bloodhounds that had already been recalled by their owner.

[packers stem]

Philips arrived at 11.15am and looked through the window.

He gained entry after Arnold instructed McCarthy to break open the door at 1.30 pm.

I know, good aint it lol
All depends which report you want to believe
And through all this time they didn't make the landlord produce what all landlords have...the spare key.
Nor presumably did they question the landlord about the type of lock used or maybe try to reach in,must have been able to see the latch through the window. It's madness, the lot of it

[packers stem]

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-swood.html

Packers, this is the one.

Thank you for the link Rosella

[packers stem]

Why remove the window when they could just force the door open at the lock with a pick axe (which they did)?

Here`s the relevant bit from Simon Wood`s dissertation as recommended by Rosella:

The brickwork surrounding both window frames is intact, showing no evidence of either window being removed, though their removal would have resulted in fairly extensive damage. Note the broken panes in the smaller window and open curtain in the larger. Perhaps this photograph was taken at some time in the morning, before a window was removed? No. The angled shadow on the brickwork by the far side of door, cast by the brickwork above the alley connecting 26 and 27 Dorset Street, indicates that the sun was in the west when the photograph was taken. Consequently, the photograph was taken in the late afternoon of 9 November, after Mary Jane Kelly's body had been taken away in a coffin, but before 'the windows were boarded up and the door padlocked'

Thanks Jon
That's even more odd now because the sun would have to be very high in the sky to cast that shadow...surprisingly odd for November,I'd be surprised if the sun could be seen from the door in November due to how low it would be in the sky and the dimensions of the court so I'm stumped now

[Rosella]

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-swood.html

Packers, this is the one.

[DJA]

Philips arrived at 11.15am and looked through the window.

He gained entry after Arnold instructed McCarthy to break open the door at 1.30 pm.

[Jon Guy]

Could be that Arnold saw it as the easiest way of entry due to the door mystery. The times was remarkably accurate regarding the mutilations so there's a good chance they were right about this.
What if the window was removed to get someone in to open the door but it still couldn't be opened.Would make a lot of sense

Why remove the window when they could just force the door open at the lock with a pick axe (which they did)?

Here`s the relevant bit from Simon Wood`s dissertation as recommended by Rosella:

The brickwork surrounding both window frames is intact, showing no evidence of either window being removed, though their removal would have resulted in fairly extensive damage. Note the broken panes in the smaller window and open curtain in the larger. Perhaps this photograph was taken at some time in the morning, before a window was removed? No. The angled shadow on the brickwork by the far side of door, cast by the brickwork above the alley connecting 26 and 27 Dorset Street, indicates that the sun was in the west when the photograph was taken. Consequently, the photograph was taken in the late afternoon of 9 November, after Mary Jane Kelly's body had been taken away in a coffin, but before 'the windows were boarded up and the door padlocked'

[packers stem]

The report is wrong, the windows were boarded up, not removed.

Would they have some sort of carpenter or handyman working on removing the window whilst the body was still lying on the bed and obviously the photographer was on the scene before the doctors started messing around with the body.

Could be that Arnold saw it as the easiest way of entry due to the door mystery. The times was remarkably accurate regarding the mutilations so there's a good chance they were right about this.
What if the window was removed to get someone in to open the door but it still couldn't be opened.Would make a lot of sense

[Jon Guy]

Thanks Rosella,I'll take a look.
But to everyone saying the photographer took the photo first...the window had already been removed and Phillips was in the room examining the body according to the report,before a photographer was even summoned. Questions,questions

The report is wrong, the windows were boarded up, not removed.

Would they have some sort of carpenter or handyman working on removing the window whilst the body was still lying on the bed, and obviously, the photographer was on the scene before the doctors started messing around with the body.