The broken window

[Phil Carter]

That is a very good question, Phil, and I look forward to Simon demonstrating for us that Inspectors Abberline and Beck both knew between 11:30am and 1:30pm on 9 November 1888 that the bloodhounds were not, or could not be, on their way.

And I look forward to you explaining why an able bodied policeman.. and there were quite a few of them about..of all ranks and intelligence, practical and otherwise.. together with a whole possee of doctors.. all with intelligent brains, didn't think of putting their arm through the window to unlatch the door that the key was apparently lost for (that apparently wasnt), and the intrepid men were waiting for dogs to turn up that clearly were not in London...and had not been for a fortnight. Strange how communication even puts the balls up over time too isnt it? Afraid to get their arms grazed perhaps?

Two weeks and not a sniff of a woof woof. And NOBODY told ONE particular policeman ..he involved in the Whitechapel murder enquiry. Odd that. Because talk of using dogs would not have crossed his mind before, nor would he ever have heard of the possibility of them being used either.. even though some very famous ones had been known to be most helpful to the police...

Odd that.

But we cant have the Met being seen to be blinking useless now, can we?
Nor doing something naughty either.
Nope. Can't have that. Tut tut.
As white as angels washed in Daz that lot.


Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

My question stands.

Who told Beck that non-existent bloodhounds were on the way?

And who countermanded the order for non-existent bloodhounds to be sent to Millers Court?

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

Hi Phil,

Star, 12th November 1888—

"The key of the murdered woman's door has been found, so that her murderer did not carry it away with him, as was at first supposed."

Regards,

Simon

Jack the Ripper did not require a key.

[David Orsam]

Why would someone say that bloodhounds were on their way if they knew they were not, or could not be, "on their way"?

That is a very good question, Phil, and I look forward to Simon demonstrating for us that Inspectors Abberline and Beck both knew between 11:30am and 1:30pm on 9 November 1888 that the bloodhounds were not, or could not be, on their way.

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

Star, 12th November 1888—

"The key of the murdered woman's door has been found, so that her murderer did not carry it away with him, as was at first supposed."

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Has been found?..HAS BEEN..as in after they knocked the door to kingdom come and back..boarded it up... and hey presto, someone found the key...

You cant write comedy pathos like this, you really cant.


Phil

[DJA]

In many walks of life they're called 'stalling tactics'

Yep!

Abberline's cover up was coming unstuck.

Next move....get the body to Shoreditch for a sham inquest.

Then hijack Hutchinson before he spilled his guts.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

Star, 12th November 1888—

"The key of the murdered woman's door has been found, so that her murderer did not carry it away with him, as was at first supposed."

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

In many walks of life they're called 'stalling tactics'

Hello packers stem,

I know that... you know that, Joe Bloggs and his missus know that... but apparently, it is totally impossible for it to be done with the Met Police Force involved in any way.... so we are to believe....


Phil

[packers stem]

Hello Simon,

Why would someone say that bloodhounds were on their way if they knew they were not, or could not be, "on their way"?

As does not reaching through the broken window..which they all saw and all knew about, to unlatch the door. Instead.. they pooh pooh around waiting for dogs that aren't there to turn up, and talking about a lost key...which doesnt appear anyway.

If Mary Kelly opened her own door by reaching through the broken window to get in, what stopped the police doing the same thing?

Communication issues no doubt within such an intrepid and large organisation all gathered in Millers Court that morning.




Phil

In many walks of life they're called 'stalling tactics'

[Phil Carter]

Hi David,

No, you didn't. Abberline did.

My difficulty is that there were no trained bloodhounds in London at the time that could have been sent to Millers Court.

So who said they were on their way?

It's a simple enough question.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Why would someone say that bloodhounds were on their way if they knew they were not, or could not be, "on their way"?

As does not reaching through the broken window..which they all saw and all knew about, to unlatch the door. Instead.. they pooh pooh around waiting for dogs that aren't there to turn up, and talking about a lost key...which doesnt appear anyway.

If Mary Kelly opened her own door by reaching through the broken window to get in, what stopped the police doing the same thing?

Communication issues no doubt within such an intrepid and large organisation all gathered in Millers Court that morning.




Phil

[DJA]

Simple answer.....Beck.

Ironically Abberline, who was in charge of the Jack the Ripper investigation, remember Jack the Ripper....the story is about him,said that Arnold arrived with the "information" that the order for the dogs had been countermanded.

That was around 1.30 pm.

[David Orsam]

My difficulty is that there were no trained bloodhounds in London at the time that could have been sent to Millers Court.

So who said they were on their way?

It's a simple enough question.

It is a simple enough question, Simon, but different to the one you originally asked.

I had thought you wanted to know what the police were waiting for between 11.30am and 1.30pm.

I answered that question.

Or, as you prefer, Inspector Abberline answered it more than 125 years ago.

Now you want an answer to a different question.

As it happens, I have never had the chance to speak to Inspector Beck about this but I can let you into a little secret. Within a large organisation like the Metropolitan Police it is not surprising that there might have been communication issues and misunderstandings. If someone told Beck that the dogs were on their way, that person clearly made a mistake because we know they were not. If Beck was not told this but told Abberline that the dogs were on their way - or 'intimated' this to him (to use Abberline's word) - he clearly misunderstood what he had been told. If Beck did not tell Abberline this, then Abberline misunderstood what Beck told him.

Either way it makes no difference. You wanted to know what the police were waiting for and I told you. Job done.

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

No, you didn't. Abberline did.

My difficulty is that there were no trained bloodhounds in London at the time that could have been sent to Millers Court.

So who said they were on their way?

It's a simple enough question.

Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi DJA,

It reads to me as though Inspector Beck was the officer who requested the bloodhounds, and had received a reply saying they were on their way.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Who sent the reply saying that the bloodhounds—which were not in London at the time—were on their way to Millers Court?

Hi Simon,

I don't recall saying in my very short post that such a reply was sent. In answer to your question as to what the police were waiting for, I said that Inspector Abberline had been told by Inspector Beck that bloodhounds had been sent for, so they were waiting for those bloodhounds to arrive.

What's the difficulty you are having with this?