Broad Shoulders, Elizabeth's Killer ?

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Hi wick , I'm still waiting for any official Lemans st police report/document that says they didn't believe Schwartz eyewitness account of the assault on liz stride .

It a genuine question as I have seen no such evidence of this.

So if there is no such report, then are we comparing Swansons "official" report against a press report as might have been given to a Leman street police officer ?

While the following report to the Home Office doesn't mention Schwartz, we might wonder if he were one of the "unprincipled persons, who, from various motives, have endeavoured to mislead us".


The Whitechapel Murders
At the present stage of the inquiry the best reply that can be made to the Secretary of State’s request for a report upon these cases is to send the accompanying copy of detailed reports prepared by Chief Inspector Swanson, who has special charge of the matter at this office.
I wish to guard against its being supposed that the inquiry is now concluded. There is no reason for furnishing these reports at this moment except that they have been called for.
That a crime of this kind should have been committed without any clue being supplied by the criminal, is unusual, but that five successive murders should have been committed without our having the slightest clue of any kind is extraordinary, if not unique, in the annals of crime. The result has been to necessitate our giving attention to innumerable suggestions, such as would in any ordinary case be dismissed unnoticed, and no hint of any kind, which was not obviously absurd, has been neglected. Moreover, the activity of the Police has been to a considerable extent wasted through the exigencies of sensational journalism, and the action of unprincipled persons, who, from various motives, have endeavoured to mislead us. But on the other hand the public generally and especially the inhabitants of the East End have shown a marked desire to assist in every way, even at some sacrifice to themselves, as for example in permitting their houses to be searched as mentioned at page 10 of the last report. The vigilance of the officers engaged on the inquiry continues unabated.

R.Anderson
Oct 23/88


It's a shame that Pipeman doesn't seem to have been one of the inhabitants of the East End who have shown a marked desire to assist in every way, even at some sacrifice to themselves.

[c.d.]

To me, "unprincipled persons" seems to be referring back to the actions of the journalists.

As for Pipeman, would you expect a 100% effort from the citizens of the East End with no exceptions?

c.d.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

To me, "unprincipled persons" seems to be referring back to the actions of the journalists.

Anderson is comparing these persons to "the public generally and especially the inhabitants of the East End". I don't think he is only referring to journalists. The "unprincipled persons" have "various motives", so, this in not just a matter of sensationalist journalism causing problems for the police.

The "unprincipled persons" possibly included the two 'detectives' utilized by the Evening News for the Packer story.

As for Pipeman, would you expect a 100% effort from the citizens of the East End with no exceptions?

c.d.

I would think it highly likely that Pipeman was amongst the vast majority who assisted police. Highly likely, that is, if Schwartz is to be regarded as a principled person.

[JeffHamm]

To me, "unprincipled persons" seems to be referring back to the actions of the journalists.

As for Pipeman, would you expect a 100% effort from the citizens of the East End with no exceptions?

c.d.

I suspect "unprincipled persons" also refers to the letter writers.

- Jeff