Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing
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I would firstly like to say that your arguments regarding Pipeman not being identified are quite reasonable.
I think I have a correct sequence in Schwartz reporting to Leman St PS via interpreter, then giving the interview, via interpreter, to The Star, and subsequently being questioned by Abberline.
Does your theory discard the Star interview entirely, apart from the comment regarding Schwartz's living arrangements?
I'm not clear on some of the details of your theory.
1. Where do you see Schwartz standing when he stopped to watch the incident, on the north side of the gateway facing the incident, or the south side of the gateway having passed the couple and turning around to watch the incident?
2. Swanson's report says that Schwartz crossed the street and saw Pipeman and THEN BSman shouted "Lipski". Abberline appears to suggest the shout of "Lipski" occurred when Schwartz stopped in the gateway to watch the incident, but that doesn't make sense. If Schwartz was that close to BSman, how could there be confusion as to whether the cry of "Lipski" was directed at Schwartz, who was only a yard away, or at Pipeman who was on the opposite side of the road?
My analyse is based on Swanson's report with a little further detail from the Star interview:
As Schwartz turned the corner from Commercial-road he noticed some distance in front of him a man walking as if partially intoxicated. He walked on behind him, and presently he noticed a woman standing in the entrance to the alley way where the body was afterwards found. The half-tipsy man halted and spoke to her. The Hungarian, who had just reached the gateway, saw him turn her around and throw her on the footway. The woman screamed three times, but not very loud. Schwartz, feeling rather timid of getting mixed up in quarrels, crossed to the other side of the street. When he reached the Fairclough intersection he heard the sound of a quarrel, and turned back to learn what was the matter. At that time a second man came out of the doorway of the public-house on the opposite corner, just a few doors from the gateway, and the man in the gateway shouted "Lipski" at the men at the intersection. Schwartz walked away noticing that the man with the pipe also walked away in the same direction.
I am of the opinion that when Abberline commented on the shout of Lipski, "I am of opinion it was addressed to him as he stopped to look at the man he saw ill-using the deceased woman", he was referring to Schwartz stopping at the Fairclough intersection to look back at the man he had previously seen "ill-using the deceased woman". I also think that Abberline just overlooked mentioning that Schwartz had crossed the road as stated by both Swanson and The Star interview.
Cheers, George
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