Broad Shoulders, Elizabeth's Killer ?

[c.d.]

If Schwartz was indeed lying and was using the ‘not very loudly’ as an excuse for why the ‘screams’ weren’t heard then I have to ask why he didn’t he simply not mention the ‘screams’ in the first place?

It was deliberate. Kind of like professional wrestling. Everything is scripted. All part of an intricate and diabolical plot by the fiendishly clever Schwartz. A man so evil and brilliant that he makes Superman's arch enemy Lex Luthor look like a grade school drop out.

c.d.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If Schwartz was indeed lying and was using the ‘not very loudly’ as an excuse for why the ‘screams’ weren’t heard then I have to ask why he didn’t he simply not mention the ‘screams’ in the first place?

It was deliberate. Kind of like professional wrestling. Everything is scripted. All part of an intricate and diabolical plot by the fiendishly clever Schwartz. A man so evil and brilliant that he makes Superman's arch enemy Lex Luthor look like a grade school drop out.

c.d.

I suspected as much c.d.

[c.d.]

As the Amazing Randi used to say -- when you hear hoof beats think Horses before you think Zebras and think Zebras before you think Unicorns.

Hope I didn't screw that quote up but that was pretty much the gist of it. I think it really applies with respect to Schwartz.

c.d.

[Wickerman]

Yes, I think the "unicorns" bit has been added - the original was only "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebra's".
It comes from the 1940's or thereabouts.
Speculations which lack detail should be limited, a good maxim for Casebook.

[c.d.]

Yes, I think the "unicorns" bit has been added - the original was only "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebra's".
It comes from the 1940's or thereabouts.
Speculations which lack detail should be limited, a good maxim for Casebook.

Added or not, I think the Unicorn reference makes sense. Even if you skip the obvious (horses) and think zebras you are still dealing with reasonable possibilities even if they are incorrect. The point I was trying to make is that (in my opinion) some posters disregard the obvious explanation (horses) and skip right over zebras to conclude it must be unicorns.

c.d.

[The Rookie Detective]

Or in the case of Mortimer...


"When you hear the distinct measured tramp of footsteps, think Policeman, not a killer sneaking away quietly from a crime scene."

[Lewis C]

I would argue Schwartz is probably at most a couple of minutes out- either side of 12:45am. I would maybe suggest the attack happened slightly later maybe 12:47am or so. But I don't see it as likely that he was well out with his time. The window is too narrow. Most witnesses were roughly in the ballpark of what they declared in my opinion.

I just meant that his time may have been off by several minutes, which is also the case for most if not all witnesses. I think that 10 minutes is in the ballpark of what a witness says. I'm generally willing to allow about 10 minutes either way, though in this case, with everything else that happened, he's probably within 7 minutes, if he really did walk down Berner Street, as I think he did.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As the Amazing Randi used to say -- when you hear hoof beats think Horses before you think Zebras and think Zebras before you think Unicorns.

Hope I didn't screw that quote up but that was pretty much the gist of it. I think it really applies with respect to Schwartz.

c.d.

Coincidentally I’ve been thinking of getting a book or two by Randi c.d.

edit - actually I just did. I got the Kindle versions of Flim-Flam and his biography of Uri Gellar. Only £7 for the two.

[c.d.]

Coincidentally I’ve been thinking of getting a book or two by Randi c.d.

edit - actually I just did. I got the Kindle versions of Flim-Flam and his biography of Uri Gellar. Only £7 for the two.

I love Randi and he is sorely missed. I have Flim-Flam on my list. Let me know what you think of it.

c.d.

[c.d.]

A Randi anecdote -- I saw him on a talk show where he was introduced by the host as a "professional debunker." He corrected her saying he did not like that description because it implied that he investigated a claim or a situation with his mind made up before he gathered facts.

c.d.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I love Randi and he is sorely missed. I have Flim-Flam on my list. Let me know what you think of it.

c.d.

I’m thinking that it could be next on my list to read c.d. I’m currently reading The Anglo-Saxons by Marc Morris which is further back in time in my history reading than I usually go but it had great reviews so I thought that I’d give it a go. To be honest I bought it around a year or more ago but it kept getting pushed back in the queue. Mainly because of people (like you) recommending books to me.

[Herlock Sholmes]

As the Amazing Randi used to say -- when you hear hoof beats think Horses before you think Zebras and think Zebras before you think Unicorns.

Hope I didn't screw that quote up but that was pretty much the gist of it. I think it really applies with respect to Schwartz.

c.d.

Absolutely, if there’s a murder in the street but no one saw or heard it then the explanation is far more likely to be that there was no one around at the time that it occurred and that not a great deal of noise was made.

[c.d.]

Absolutely, if there’s a murder in the street but no one saw or heard it then the explanation is far more likely to be that there was no one around at the time that it occurred and that not a great deal of noise was made.

Actually I was thinking in terms of "the screams" and how the most likely explanation (horses) is a bad translation. So no need for zebras and certainly not unicorns.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Mainly because of people (like you) recommending books to me.

Ok, I'll take some responsibility on this one but your beer drinking is all on you.

c.d.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Mainly because of people (like you) recommending books to me.

Ok, I'll take some responsibility on this one but your beer drinking is all on you.

c.d.

Never a drop passes my lips.