Dorset Street

[halomanuk]

Good stuff warspite..and a clear image too...to think that was actually written at the time..

[WARSPITE]

Heres Booths original entries on Dorset St.

[Edward]

Number 26

Hello All
Am I thinking correctly? In the photo in Rob's post #20, is Number 26 just out of the photo on the right side of the street? Does anyone know which street numbers we are looking at in the photo?

Ed

[halomanuk]

So that photo was taken only 5 days after the Titanic sank,makes it even more haunting.

[Jon Guy]

I LOVE this photo taken outside Charrington's! Do you know the year?

Hi Archaic

According to Clack and Hutchinson`s, "The London of Jack the Ripper-Then and Now", the photo was taken on 20 April, 1912.

The pub is called the Horn of Plenty. Charrington`s would be the name of the brewers who sold their beer in the pub.

[Archaic]

Charrington's Photo

Hi, Warspite; I LOVE this photo taken outside Charrington's! Do you know the year?

I looked at it with a magnifying glass- The younger children are too excited to hold still, and so are preserved for all time as a blur!
The cute little boy up in the wagon with his enormous hoop...

the young girl, front & center, who has grabbed the arm of her friend...

and especially the beautiful face of the teenage girl pushing the younger girl in a stroller. The younger one has to be her little sister, they are so similar. The older girl has one hand up towards her throat, and such a haunting face... like a little angel.

(Perhaps she is somebody's Grandma... but we'll never know)

Thank you for sharing this picture! Archaic

[WARSPITE]

sorry,heres the other 2 larger. Im surprised theres so many children in the street,given its unsavoury reputation.I guess the ones outside Horn Of Plenty are in Crispin St,not Dorset St.

[WARSPITE]

Im posting the 3 other photos we know of Dorset St, to invite discussion. I remember coming across the one of the Horn Of Plenty in the photo section in Northampton Row in the early 1990s and recognised it immediately.It was the first time Id seen it and found it very haunting. It looks a lively,even happy, streetscene with the childrens curiosity towards the camerman evident.
The other two of course are poorer quality, and I assume from newspapers,but what superb finds. Can anyone tell me who discovered them?
Am I right in thinking thats Crossinghams on the left, and the Blue Coat Boy in the middle distance? Millers Court is tantalisingly out of sight just beyond. Again, the kids look happy.
Seeing these gives me hope that theres other photos out there waiting to be discovered.
Thanks to whoever discovered them,and for sharing them with us.

sorry,here they are

[WARSPITE]

Im posting the 3 other photos we know of Dorset St, to invite discussion. I remember coming across the one of the Horn Of Plenty in the photo section in Northampton Row in the early 1990s and recognised it immediately.It was the first time Id seen it and found it very haunting. It looks a lively,even happy, streetscene with the childrens curiosity towards the camerman evident.
The other two of course are poorer quality, and I assume from newspapers,but what superb finds. Can anyone tell me who discovered them?
Am I right in thinking thats Crossinghams on the left, and the Blue Coat Boy in the middle distance? Millers Court is tantalisingly out of sight just beyond. Again, the kids look happy.
Seeing these gives me hope that theres other photos out there waiting to be discovered.
Thanks to whoever discovered them,and for sharing them with us.

[WARSPITE]

John - sorry to be coming late to this. You have the N/S alignment fairly close on the superimposition, but the E/W alignment is out. The women were standing quite near to the entrance from Crispin Street; here you have them halfway along Dorset Street.

Sarah - I've never said the bed was in front of the broken kerbstone! The supposition was that - after the 1997 research showed that #13 wasn't under the middle of the Fruit Exchange - her bed was on the spot of the kerbstone. Further research, mostly from Colin Roberts, has now shown that it's about a metre to the west and current thinking is that although the body lay along the line of the kerb, her head was under the pillar and her feet about halfway along the missing kerbstone.

PHILIP

Thanks Phil for letting me know.

[George Hutchinson]

John - sorry to be coming late to this. You have the N/S alignment fairly close on the superimposition, but the E/W alignment is out. The women were standing quite near to the entrance from Crispin Street; here you have them halfway along Dorset Street.

Sarah - I've never said the bed was in front of the broken kerbstone! The supposition was that - after the 1997 research showed that #13 wasn't under the middle of the Fruit Exchange - her bed was on the spot of the kerbstone. Further research, mostly from Colin Roberts, has now shown that it's about a metre to the west and current thinking is that although the body lay along the line of the kerb, her head was under the pillar and her feet about halfway along the missing kerbstone.

PHILIP

[Nurse Sarah]

Its a war memorial I believe Mike

Warspite - I was told her actual bed was on the ground in front of the kerb and its possible to stand on the same spot as where she died...

[Mike Covell]

Does anyone know what the oblisk at Itchy Park represents and when it was erected?

[WARSPITE]

I am a bit confused. I was shown a break in the curb as being the actually sight of Kelly's murder. I am not sure if that was the room (13 Millers Court) or the the actually location of 26 Dorset Street. Also there is an arch a few yards away which I was told was where the entrance to Miller's Court (as per the famous 1928 Leonard Maters phot) was.

O dear, me too! I thought actual site of MKs bed was just to east of broken kerbstone. Please correct me someone?

[John Casey]

Dorset St Merged

Is this roughly how the old/new streets lined up? Perspective and scales a bit odd I know...I think "our lady of the cuppa" is about 8ft tall now!! Still it's as close as I can get it...