A bump for the JtR Map

[richardh]

UPDATE
I've added a lot more photos and links to the map.
Please keep the annotation suggestions coming.
thanks

[richardh]

I have always wondered why this hasn't been looked into more.

Miriam Angel was murdered in 1887 in the first-floor front room of 16 Batty Street (facing East)

Mrs Kuer's lodger at 22 Batty Street; the so-called "Batty Street Lodger," was located just 3 doors south of 16 Batty Street, was at one time a mysterious person of interest in the Ripper murders.
The top floor back room of 22 Batty Street also MAY have had a partial view of the murder site in Dutfields Yard, because 22 Batty Street was the last house on the western side of Batty Street before the alleyway which ran directly from Batty Street and into Berner Street.
There was a pub on Batty Street located just south of this alleyway.

This alleyway meant that to get from Berner Street to Batty Street, you didn't need to walk south into Fairclough street and then around the perimeter of the board school, past the playground and then into Batty Street, because one could simply walk through the alleyway which ran (parallel) just north of the board school.

In practice it COULD have taken the killer under 30 seconds to have run from the place Stride was murdered, through the alleyway and into Batty Street and come out between the pub and 22 Batty Street.
If the "lodger" was the killer, in practice, it could have taken him around 30 seconds to have ran from Dutfields Yard, headed north, crossed the road, run east along the alleyway and come out into Batty Street between the pub and 22 Batty Street.

That means that by the time Diemschultz came back out into the yard, the killer could have already been back in his room.

Although that's unlikely of course due to the subsequent murder of Eddowes...BUT the theory of the lodger escaping back to his room at 22 Batty St from murdering Stride in Dutfields yard in under a minute, is accurate.

Let's also not forget that a certain Charles Le Grand (countless other names he used included) who made himself present in Berner Street to "interview" Packer, was also active in the Lipksi murder case a year earlier.
Le Grand was hired as an investigator into the murder of Miriam Angel.

At one stage he barged his way into the house of a potential witness to the Lipski killing, and scared the man's daughter so much, that she had a fit and collapsed, and needed to be rushed to hospital.

Le Grand is connected to the aftermath of both the Lipski murder AND the Stride murder.


But i digress...

The proximity to the murder of Miriam Angel at 16 Batty St
The lodger at 22 Batty St
The murder of Stride in Dutfields Yard
And the potential scenario whereby Israel Lipski gave a false confession only after he knew he would have no reprieve from being hanged, despite always previously claiming his innocence (I don't believe he was the killer, and that the real killer escaped justice)

AND... the alleged shouting of "LIPSKI" by BS man towards Schwartz, to me suggests that the use of the word Lipski may have more relevance than we realize.


RD

Added these details to the map:

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVPMy6zMo=/?share_link_id=859442786384

[richardh]

Hi Richard. Harry Harris (Mitre Square Witness with Lawende) lived at 34, Newcastle Street. Backed up to Castle Alley across from Mc Kenzie murder site.

Added. With thanks.

[The Rookie Detective]

That's an incredible piece of work. Absolutely fascinating how close Israel Lipski had lived to Dutfields Yard.

I have always wondered why this hasn't been looked into more.

Miriam Angel was murdered in 1887 in the first-floor front room of 16 Batty Street (facing East)

Mrs Kuer's lodger at 22 Batty Street; the so-called "Batty Street Lodger," was located just 3 doors south of 16 Batty Street, was at one time a mysterious person of interest in the Ripper murders.
The top floor back room of 22 Batty Street also MAY have had a partial view of the murder site in Dutfields Yard, because 22 Batty Street was the last house on the western side of Batty Street before the alleyway which ran directly from Batty Street and into Berner Street.
There was a pub on Batty Street located just south of this alleyway.

This alleyway meant that to get from Berner Street to Batty Street, you didn't need to walk south into Fairclough street and then around the perimeter of the board school, past the playground and then into Batty Street, because one could simply walk through the alleyway which ran (parallel) just north of the board school.

In practice it COULD have taken the killer under 30 seconds to have run from the place Stride was murdered, through the alleyway and into Batty Street and come out between the pub and 22 Batty Street.
If the "lodger" was the killer, in practice, it could have taken him around 30 seconds to have ran from Dutfields Yard, headed north, crossed the road, run east along the alleyway and come out into Batty Street between the pub and 22 Batty Street.

That means that by the time Diemschultz came back out into the yard, the killer could have already been back in his room.

Although that's unlikely of course due to the subsequent murder of Eddowes...BUT the theory of the lodger escaping back to his room at 22 Batty St from murdering Stride in Dutfields yard in under a minute, is accurate.

Let's also not forget that a certain Charles Le Grand (countless other names he used included) who made himself present in Berner Street to "interview" Packer, was also active in the Lipksi murder case a year earlier.
Le Grand was hired as an investigator into the murder of Miriam Angel.

At one stage he barged his way into the house of a potential witness to the Lipski killing, and scared the man's daughter so much, that she had a fit and collapsed, and needed to be rushed to hospital.

Le Grand is connected to the aftermath of both the Lipski murder AND the Stride murder.


But i digress...

The proximity to the murder of Miriam Angel at 16 Batty St
The lodger at 22 Batty St
The murder of Stride in Dutfields Yard
And the potential scenario whereby Israel Lipski gave a false confession only after he knew he would have no reprieve from being hanged, despite always previously claiming his innocence (I don't believe he was the killer, and that the real killer escaped justice)

AND... the alleged shouting of "LIPSKI" by BS man towards Schwartz, to me suggests that the use of the word Lipski may have more relevance than we realize.


RD

[jerryd]

Hi Richard. Harry Harris (Mitre Square Witness with Lawende) lived at 34, Newcastle Street. Backed up to Castle Alley across from Mc Kenzie murder site.

[richardh]

Update:
I've reinstated the website for the map so it's easier to find!

It's easy to just remember jtrmap.com
Thanks

[richardh]

Hi,
I suggest a new address:
30 Foster Street (right next to Buck's row) : home of Robert Paul, who was with Lechmere when Polly Nichols' body was discovered.
Thanks!



To view this map: https://britishlibrary.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6e798cca-ecaf-56f0-a30e-b1385450ed78/

Thanks, Charlie.
I've added all your suggestions.
Keep 'em coming!

[Charlie]

Hi,
I suggest a new address:
30 Foster Street (right next to Buck's row) : home of Robert Paul, who was with Lechmere when Polly Nichols' body was discovered.
Thanks!



To view this map: https://britishlibrary.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6e798cca-ecaf-56f0-a30e-b1385450ed78/

[Charlie]

I know Joseph Merrick was not the Ripper, but it might be interesting to indicate where his room was in the London hospital (look only at the red cross, not the two arrows).
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The image above is taken from the thread on “The The London Hospital” (https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...hospital/page3).

[Charlie]

I also suggest:
10 Goring Street: home of Dr Morgan Davies accused by Roslyn D'Onston of being Jack the Ripper. It is sometimes said that his address was 5-9 Goring Street and he then moved to number 10 (https://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4922/6733.html), but I think the 5-9 was a mistake (the two numbers are not on the same side of the street) which was subsequently corrected in the 1901 census.


To view the map: https://www.oldmapsonline.org/maps/6...-d5fd52d0c2ea/

[Geddy2112]

Awesome piece of work, totally amazing.

Just one small point from me and I presume I've either missed something or it's irrelevant. The two routes marked as Lechmere's in red and yellow state 'multiple murder sites enroute to work.' However the red one passes two and the yellow only one. Why stated as multiple? Thanks.

[Charlie]

Bravo for your work!
I never tire of looking at this map.
I suggest adding two addresses:
• The Thomas Barry’s Waxworks Museum : 106 and 107 Whitechapel Road (Now 223 & 225 Whitechapel Road) where wax representations of Jack the Ripper's victims were exhibited in 1888-1889.
• 1884 Elephant Man exhibit : 123 Whitechapel Road (Now 259 Whitechapel Road).
Thanks.

[Enigma]

Well done Richard. That's great work. We can only imagine how much time and effort you put into producing the map, so thank you very much.

[Sunny Delight]

Also it helps in relation to some lesser well known sightings like that in Church Lane. Although that is only seen in one newspaper it looks like it makes perfect sense as a place to stop and clean hands before continuing on. On looking at the map it to me takes on far more significance now.

[Sunny Delight]

That's an incredible piece of work. Absolutely fascinating how close Israel Lipski had lived to Dutfields Yard.