writing on the wall

[erobitha]

Both sentences make perfect sense to someone from a working-class English background.

Is this a game of working class top trumps? What score would I get for growing up on one of the roughest council estates in East London?

It doesn't make any sense in its purest form.

[DJA]

Interesting articles! Thanks for sharing them. Some insight into who the writers of graffiti were- like today, often juves.

FIFY

[milchmanuk]

Speculation that the "nothing" of the graffiti was intended to refer to her words on leaving the City jail goes back many years.
As with the 'Juewes", that some suggested refers to the Old Jewery, the address of City Police headquarters.

In other words, it's the fault of the city police.

Major Smith, we are told, ordered his constables to follow any couples out late at night.

just rereading your post.
city police headquarters.
they found a torso in .well in the basement of Scotland yards building .
is this pointing to conspiracies' !
that i have not yet read about.
or inside job ! police man maybe ?
golden state killer was a cop .

[Christian]

Interesting articles! Thanks for sharing them. Some insight into who the writers of graffiti were- like today, often juveniles.

Disagree with juveniles!! Some of the best writers of graffiti are 40 plus!!

[Pcdunn]

Interesting articles! Thanks for sharing them. Some insight into who the writers of graffiti were- like today, often juveniles.

[SkipToTheEnd]

How common was graffiti in the East End in 1888? I'm serious about this question. I've studied a lot of photos and not really noticed much which I found quite astonishing. Of course I could be entirely wrong, but to me, this makes somewhat of a difference, at least in my mind, as to whether it was happenstance or if not, very possiby written deliberately by JtR post-murders.

I always found this article quite interesting:

http://catsmeatshop.blogspot.com/2010/09/victorian-graffiti.html

it was common enough to be in police manuals and be taken to court over etc.

and also this, even the police were up to it:

https://www.mylondon.news/news/nostalgia/unlikely-history-behind-secret-victorian-19766179

[DJA]

City-constable Lewis Robinson, 931, deposed: At half-past eight, on the night of Saturday, Sept. 29, while on duty in High-street, Aldgate, I saw a crowd of persons outside No. 29, surrounding a woman whom I have since recognised as the deceased.
The Coroner: What state was she in? - Drunk. Lying on the footway? - Yes. I asked the crowd if any of them knew her or where she lived, but got no answer. I then picked her up and sat her against the shutters, but she fell down sideways. With the aid of a fellow-constable I took her to Bishopsgate Police-station. There she was asked her name, and she replied "Nothing." She was then put into a cell.

[Wickerman]

Although it's considered more likely that Eddowes actually gave no response to the question and therefore "nothing" was put down as meaning "she didn't say anything", you are the first time that I've seen anyone make the connection between BOTH Eddowes' response and the graffiti including the same word.

It's probably of absolutely no significance at all, but still is interesting.

Speculation that the "nothing" of the graffiti was intended to refer to her words on leaving the City jail goes back many years.
As with the 'Juewes", that some suggested refers to the Old Jewery, the address of City Police headquarters.

In other words, it's the fault of the city police.

Major Smith, we are told, ordered his constables to follow any couples out late at night.

[C. F. Leon]

So ..... Alamy the Ripper

It's a better suggestion than SOME of the ones people have seriously made.

[C. F. Leon]

...

perhaps the victim told him "my names NOTHING " loudly & and hence the word in his riddle.

Although it's considered more likely that Eddowes actually gave no response to the question and therefore "nothing" was put down as meaning "she didn't say anything", you are the first time that I've seen anyone make the connection between BOTH Eddowes' response and the graffiti including the same word.

It's probably of absolutely no significance at all, but still is interesting.

[milchmanuk]

perhaps he was standing in that entrance looking at the sky or moon completed in his ascension holdings his hands by his side dripping .

perhaps the victim told him "my names NOTHING " loudly & and hence the word in his riddle.

[milchmanuk]

going back to my post #84
Torah a set of five books
behind a veil
gods word.

conical five
apron
his written word.

graffiti
his becoming a god.

[DJA]

So ..... Alamy the Ripper

[Fleetwood Mac]

you will get a sentence that makes sense.

Both sentences make perfect sense to someone from a working-class English background.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hi all,


The Juewes are not the men that will be blamed for nothing.
The Juewes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.

Both are effectively saying that the Jews are to be blamed.

'Couldn't disagree more with this. I grew up in a working-class English environment, in a part of the country where old habits die harder than most other parts of the country. A lot of everyday vernacular in this part of the country has survived as the centuries have passed by, to the point that even Old Norse words that sound nothing like English to most other English speaking peoples remain in everyday existence and are spoken by large swathes of the people in this area. The point of saying that is much of the working-class language spoken in London in 1888 may mean little to most English speaking peoples, but that sort of sentence structure remains alive and well in this small part of the country.

In my neck of the woods, it remains commonplace to hear: "you're not getting wrong for nothing". Substitute 'wrong' for 'blamed' and it's the same thing. What this statement means is: you are being told off/blamed/getting wrong because your actions deserve it.

The former statement means: Jewish people will not accept responsibility for something which they haven't done.

The latter statement means: Jewish people are being blamed because they deserve it.

The former most likely written by someone who is Jewish; the latter most likely written by someone who is not Jewish.

The placing of the word "not" is of huge significance.