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First of all, I want to credit Dr. Frederick Walker (don't know who he is ) for his dissertation on this site about this subject. (Casebook: Jack the Ripper - The Windsor Street Stakeout). Dr. Walker claims the City Police suspect may have been Joseph Barnett. That is not the intention of this thread, but if anyone chooses to go that route, I have no objections. Joe Barnett went to live on New Street (seen on this map, left of Rose Alley) after he left Mary Kelly.
I have mentioned this subject a few times in regard to the murder in Mitre Square. Let me set this up by providing the relevant news article relating to this event that took place on the evening of September 28, 1888. As we know Catherine Eddowes the murdered in the early morning hours of September 29th, 1888. I have different thoughts on this subject but wanted to see what kind of ideas you all may have? It seems clear that the City Police had their eye on someone in the vicinity of the Police Station and I found it interesting how fast news got back to the two plain clothes detectives on the stakeout near Windsor Street. I believe they heard of the murder even before the doctors and many other key witnesses.
The Times
October 2, 1888
Many adverse remarks have been made concerning the want of vigilance on the part of the police in connexion with the outrages; but it should be remembered, as urged by them, that the women are of a class who know that they are liable to punishment if detected, and who, therefore, go alone to the places where they agree to meet their male companions. Shortly after the first horrible murders were committed some weeks ago, special precautions were taken by the City Police authorities with a view to detect the criminal or criminals, several plain-clothes constables being ordered on the beats in the district which has now become so notorious. Instructions were given to the constables to watch any man and woman seen together in suspicious circumstances, and especially to observe any woman who might be seen alone in circumstances of a similar nature. At about the time when the Mitre-square murder was being committed two of the extra men who had been put on duty were in Windsor-street, a thoroughfare about 300 yards off, engaged, pursuant to their instructions, in watching certain houses, it being thought possible that the premises might be resorted to at some time by the murderer. Five minutes after the discovery of the murder in Mitre-square, the two officers referred to heard of it, and the neighbourhood was at once searched by them, unfortunately without result. It is believed that had any man and woman been in company with each other going to Mitre-square they must have been observed, and that the man in that case would have been detected and captured. The supposition of the police is that the murderer and the ill-fated woman went to the place separately, having made an appointment. The general impression is that no man in his right senses could have perpetrated such a series of dreadful crimes. Some of the doctors who have been engaged in the examination of the bodies believe it quite possible that the murders may have been committed in from three to five minutes.
Below is a map of Windsor Street (bottom right side of map) and it's location relative to the Bishopsgate Police station. Also on this map is Sandy's Row and Widegate Street which relate to the following story by Mrs. Paumier after the murder of Mary Kelly. Paumier's suspicious gentleman would walk right into the area of the Windsor Street Stakeout during the Eddowes murder, and vanish.(Edit: On this map is Sandy's Street not Row, Sandy's Row is just off the bottom of this map. Next Street.)
Morning Advertiser
10 November, 1888
A Mrs. Paumier, a young woman who sells roasted chestnuts at the corner of Widegate-street, about two minutes' walk from the scene of the murder, told our reporter yesterday afternoon that at about twelve o'clock that morning a man dressed like a gentleman came to her and said, "I suppose you have heard about the murder in Dorset-street." She replied that she had, whereupon the man grinned and said, "I know more about it than you." He then stared into her face, and went down Sandy's-row, a narrow thoroughfare which cuts across Widegate-street. When he got some way off, however, he looked back as if to see whether she was watching him. Mrs. Paumier said the man had a black moustache, was about five feet six inches high, and wore a black silk hat, a black coat, and speckled trousers. He also carried a black shiny bag, about a foot in depth and a foot and a half in length. Mrs. Paumier stated further that the same man accosted three women whom she knows on Thursday night, and that they chaffed him and asked what he had in the bag, and he replied, "Something that the ladies don't like." Mrs. Paumier told her story with every appearance of truthfulness. One of the three young women she named, Sarah Roney, a girl about 20 years of age, corroborates her statement.
I have mentioned this subject a few times in regard to the murder in Mitre Square. Let me set this up by providing the relevant news article relating to this event that took place on the evening of September 28, 1888. As we know Catherine Eddowes the murdered in the early morning hours of September 29th, 1888. I have different thoughts on this subject but wanted to see what kind of ideas you all may have? It seems clear that the City Police had their eye on someone in the vicinity of the Police Station and I found it interesting how fast news got back to the two plain clothes detectives on the stakeout near Windsor Street. I believe they heard of the murder even before the doctors and many other key witnesses.
The Times
October 2, 1888
Many adverse remarks have been made concerning the want of vigilance on the part of the police in connexion with the outrages; but it should be remembered, as urged by them, that the women are of a class who know that they are liable to punishment if detected, and who, therefore, go alone to the places where they agree to meet their male companions. Shortly after the first horrible murders were committed some weeks ago, special precautions were taken by the City Police authorities with a view to detect the criminal or criminals, several plain-clothes constables being ordered on the beats in the district which has now become so notorious. Instructions were given to the constables to watch any man and woman seen together in suspicious circumstances, and especially to observe any woman who might be seen alone in circumstances of a similar nature. At about the time when the Mitre-square murder was being committed two of the extra men who had been put on duty were in Windsor-street, a thoroughfare about 300 yards off, engaged, pursuant to their instructions, in watching certain houses, it being thought possible that the premises might be resorted to at some time by the murderer. Five minutes after the discovery of the murder in Mitre-square, the two officers referred to heard of it, and the neighbourhood was at once searched by them, unfortunately without result. It is believed that had any man and woman been in company with each other going to Mitre-square they must have been observed, and that the man in that case would have been detected and captured. The supposition of the police is that the murderer and the ill-fated woman went to the place separately, having made an appointment. The general impression is that no man in his right senses could have perpetrated such a series of dreadful crimes. Some of the doctors who have been engaged in the examination of the bodies believe it quite possible that the murders may have been committed in from three to five minutes.
Below is a map of Windsor Street (bottom right side of map) and it's location relative to the Bishopsgate Police station. Also on this map is Sandy's Row and Widegate Street which relate to the following story by Mrs. Paumier after the murder of Mary Kelly. Paumier's suspicious gentleman would walk right into the area of the Windsor Street Stakeout during the Eddowes murder, and vanish.(Edit: On this map is Sandy's Street not Row, Sandy's Row is just off the bottom of this map. Next Street.)
Morning Advertiser
10 November, 1888
A Mrs. Paumier, a young woman who sells roasted chestnuts at the corner of Widegate-street, about two minutes' walk from the scene of the murder, told our reporter yesterday afternoon that at about twelve o'clock that morning a man dressed like a gentleman came to her and said, "I suppose you have heard about the murder in Dorset-street." She replied that she had, whereupon the man grinned and said, "I know more about it than you." He then stared into her face, and went down Sandy's-row, a narrow thoroughfare which cuts across Widegate-street. When he got some way off, however, he looked back as if to see whether she was watching him. Mrs. Paumier said the man had a black moustache, was about five feet six inches high, and wore a black silk hat, a black coat, and speckled trousers. He also carried a black shiny bag, about a foot in depth and a foot and a half in length. Mrs. Paumier stated further that the same man accosted three women whom she knows on Thursday night, and that they chaffed him and asked what he had in the bag, and he replied, "Something that the ladies don't like." Mrs. Paumier told her story with every appearance of truthfulness. One of the three young women she named, Sarah Roney, a girl about 20 years of age, corroborates her statement.
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