Contents of Room 13.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Would that then seem logical that these clothes were Kelly’s, ready for the mayors show the following day?

why would the killer burn her clothes?

was the killer trying to affect TOD; trying to keep the room warmer for longer?

was he trying to set fire to the room?


was he melting or boiling something in the kettle?

why would he burn some clothes and yet leave others?

We’re they Maria’s?

Did he burn the items because he was disgusted that they were meant for the Mayors show?

burning Items is usually due to trying to destroy evidence


TRD

Burning to destroy evidence in the LVP would more likely be burning his own blood stained clothes.

As for burning them in disgust at the thought of her wearing them at the Lord Mayor's Show, your in Pierre territory there. You know, maybe he did. Maybe that's the exact reason. Unfortunately, there's nothing to back that up, other than the Gog Magog letter, which even Pierre herself abandonded.

Maybe a more practical reason is likely. Light, heat, even just destroying her earthly possessions as much as he had her earthly body. Who knows?

[The Rookie Detective]

It looks like her lower jaw bone is exposed?

her teeth and jaw bone?

TRD

[DJA]

Way too much coffee

The heart was missing from the pericardium,not necessarily the room.

Suspect boiled water was used on her lower face. It was still there in the photo,however look at where the mouth is.

[The Rookie Detective]

And aside from destroying evidence, a fire is also used to cook...

did the ripper use the fire to cook her heart and then eat it?

did he boil water to burn her face off post mortem?

If he was sadistic enough to inflict such wounds, he could have also resorted to even more extreme measures of cooking parts of her for consumption.

thigh
heart
face

he may have cut her face off and cooked it

i mean this guy was beyond any evil that could have been imagined and so he was capable of anything.

TRD

[DJA]

why would the killer burn her clothes?


was he melting or boiling something in the kettle?


TRD

To put the fire out.

Water.

[The Rookie Detective]

Abberline ....There were traces of a large fire having been kept up in the grate, so much so that it had melted the spout of a kettle off. We have since gone through the ashes in the fireplace; there were remnants of clothing, a portion of a brim of a hat, and a skirt, and it appeared as if a large quantity of women's clothing had been burnt.

Would that then seem logical that these clothes were Kelly’s, ready for the mayors show the following day?

why would the killer burn her clothes?

was the killer trying to affect TOD; trying to keep the room warmer for longer?

was he trying to set fire to the room?


was he melting or boiling something in the kettle?

why would he burn some clothes and yet leave others?

We’re they Maria’s?

Did he burn the items because he was disgusted that they were meant for the Mayors show?

burning Items is usually due to trying to destroy evidence


TRD

[DJA]

Abberline ....There were traces of a large fire having been kept up in the grate, so much so that it had melted the spout of a kettle off. We have since gone through the ashes in the fireplace; there were remnants of clothing, a portion of a brim of a hat, and a skirt, and it appeared as if a large quantity of women's clothing had been burnt.

[Michael W Richards]

My guess would only be possibly. Kelly may have had spare clean clothing ready to put on in the morning, but we don't know what ended up on the fire, do we? Her final male visitor may have taken pleasure in burning her Lord Mayor outfit for heat and light, especially if she expressed her excitement to him too. "She won't be needing any of this now."

On the other hand, if she was obliged to wear the same outer clothes again, draping them over the chair would have left them less creased than folding them.

Love,

Caz
X

On these items in the fire bit, only 2 items were found in a partially burned state, there is no evidence that anything else was identified or indicated as burned. Your once again suggesting what could be instead of following what was. As I indicated before....neatly is subjective.

[caz]

I did punch up one point that relates to this question Caz....the next day was Mayors Day, we know Mary had expressed excitement about going to the parade...would she, as a result of that anticipation, take care that the clothing she would wear was as clean and unwrinkled as possible? My guess would be yes. Did she have any clothing in that room aside from the outfit she wore that Thursday? I dont recall seeing that she did.

My guess would only be possibly. Kelly may have had spare clean clothing ready to put on in the morning, but we don't know what ended up on the fire, do we? Her final male visitor may have taken pleasure in burning her Lord Mayor outfit for heat and light, especially if she expressed her excitement to him too. "She won't be needing any of this now."

On the other hand, if she was obliged to wear the same outer clothes again, draping them over the chair would have left them less creased than folding them.

Love,

Caz
X

[DJA]

Gog and Magog?

[The Rookie Detective]

I did punch up one point that relates to this question Caz....the next day was Mayors Day, we know Mary had expressed excitement about going to the parade...would she, as a result of that anticipation, take care that the clothing she would wear was as clean and unwrinkled as possible? My guess would be yes. Did she have any clothing in that room aside from the outfit she wore that Thursday? I dont recall seeing that she did.

Was the timing of the murder connected to the fact it was Mayors Day the following day?


Could there be a connection?


TRD

[Michael W Richards]

As I said, I don't think there's a 19th century source for the word 'neatly', but in any case I wouldn't read too much into it. I suspect the way Kelly undressed and what she did with her clothing would depend more on habit than on who she was with at the time - unless of course the man in question had certain 'requests'.

Love,

Caz
X

I did punch up one point that relates to this question Caz....the next day was Mayors Day, we know Mary had expressed excitement about going to the parade...would she, as a result of that anticipation, take care that the clothing she would wear was as clean and unwrinkled as possible? My guess would be yes. Did she have any clothing in that room aside from the outfit she wore that Thursday? I dont recall seeing that she did.

[caz]

Im talking about the general care taken when taking things off. It doesnt seem by any description Ive read that it appeared as if she kicked her boots off and tossed her clothing haphazardly over the back of the chair. Like she would perhaps when getting ready to service a client. The descriptions include" neathly folded", which even if not exactly accurate, does suggest some degree of care.

Again, she had to wear these on Mayors Day...or assumed she did.

As I said, I don't think there's a 19th century source for the word 'neatly', but in any case I wouldn't read too much into it. I suspect the way Kelly undressed and what she did with her clothing would depend more on habit than on who she was with at the time - unless of course the man in question had certain 'requests'.

Love,

Caz
X

[DJA]

They had performed what I learned was referred to as a Volte Face, in essence a physiological reconstruction using what was there.

[Michael W Richards]

I'm still not sure what your point is, Michael.

Short of flinging her boots and clothes across the room and leaving them where they landed, what else did you expect Kelly to do with her boots and clothes after taking them off, if not to put them somewhere, either in front of the fire or on the chair, ready for the morning?

The word 'placed' is surely just a reference to where things were found, so the word could just as easily have been 'put' or 'left', without implying any particular care was taken by Kelly in the process.

Love,

Caz
X

Im talking about the general care taken when taking things off. It doesnt seem by any description Ive read that it appeared as if she kicked her boots off and tossed her clothing haphazardly over the back of the chair. Like she would perhaps when getting ready to service a client. The descriptions include" neathly folded", which even if not exactly accurate, does suggest some degree of care.

Again, she had to wear these on Mayors Day...or assumed she did.