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Crimes 1888
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The maps are so small, I find them hard to read. Are the Whitechapel murders plotted on the 1888 Crime map?
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1887 district arrests
Hello Edward. The Whitechapel murders never made it to the Old Bailey by virtue of no one being prosecuted. In the lines around these plottings are the locations of the crimes, where the lines change direction specifically.
These are the plottings for people arrested within the district in 1887. The date reflects the date they appeared in court.
Top to bottom they are:
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
4. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
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1888 district arrests according to Old Bailey
1888 District Arrests according to the Old Bailey. Once again the dates displayed are the court dates. Dave
Top to Bottom
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
4. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
5. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
6. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlightAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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1889 district arrests
1889 district arrests according to the Old Bailey. Dave
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlightAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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1887 district crimes
1887 crimes within the district according to the Old Bailey. Dave
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
4. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
5. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
6. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlightAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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1888 district crimes
1888 district crimes according to the Old Bailey. Dave
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
4. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18880423-448&div=t18880423-448&terms=white\'s%20row#highlight
5. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
6. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
7. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
8. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
9. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
10. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
11. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
12. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
13. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...road#highlight
14. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlightAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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1889 district crime
1889 district crimes, old bailey wise of course.
1. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
2. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlight
3. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
4. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...lane#highlight
5. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brows...reet#highlightAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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Ripper math
According to this website, the 2001 population of tower hamlets is 196,000.
and according this website we have crime totals.
Applying math we get 1 burglary for every 89.30 people.
1 robbery for every 214.68 people
and 1 homocide in every 21,777.78 people
these are the modern tower hamlets numbers. Bear in mind these are crimes and not convictions as I cannot find the data online for convictions. (hint, hint)
On this thread Septic Blue gives us the 1891 population of Whitechapel, which is larger than the district.
Applying the old bailey totals 1889 for the entire district and the whitechapel population we get,
1 robbery per 37,233 people
0 homicides per 74,446 people
DaveLast edited by protohistorian; 10-20-2010, 01:49 PM.We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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composite
From what I can gather on lights (little suns), beats (yellow routes),and fixed positions (little coppers), this was the terrain of the Ripper. DaveAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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Hi Dave,
Sorry to be a pain, but have you covered slaughterhouses on this thread yet? I didn't realise there were so many pages and I wasn't sure if they were here. If you have covered them I'll trawl through and find them.
Many thanks.
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Hello Jane, as if my photoshop mentor could be a pain! This is an issue with two anachronisms. We as moderns see the slaughterhouse as the first step of the animal entering the food supply. This was not the case in 1888. While slaughterhouses did function in this regard primarily to service butchers with bulk supplies, it was a common industry. The only slaughterhouse listed is the one in Winthrop street. Many, many butchers, unlike today, took the animal from hoof to chop. There was no intermediate step. Individual butchers, or several in tandem would go to a livestock seller, purchase animals, and process them for their respective shops. That is not to say there could not be more of them, just that they were not listed, or even were not located within the district.Here is the plotting for butchers, all varieties. I hope this helps. If not PM me. DaveAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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East End 1888
[I]They should be told that here in East London...there will be found numerous centres of social and educational importance which will stand comparison with those of other metropolitan districts and provincial towns.
East London Observer 14 January 1888,editorial in response to adverse criticism of East London in an article in the Manchester Guardian[/I]
"What many earnest social investigators failed to perceive was the resilience, the sort of esoteric humour that sustained the East End Cockney in adversity.
Some 48 drinking places stood at virtually every corner of one mile of Whitechapel Road to provide,"the working man with breakfast on his journey to work and with refreshments on his journey home."As a "leisure" centre they attracted the widest class of clientele.
There was a healthy,positive side to the pubs ."They sold wholesome food and according to the degree of respectability of the house ,hired out backrooms for musical concerts and dances,where pianos plus a tuner and even an orchestra could be supplied.One aspect of working men's culture was exemplified by the weekly Friday night meeting of St George"s Musical Union held at The Refiners Arms in Buross Street off the Commercial Road."
from East End 1888 by William Fishman.Last edited by Natalie Severn; 10-21-2010, 12:34 AM.Comment
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Thanks Nats! Here are the pubs. DaveAttached FilesWe are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!Comment
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Hi Dave,
Thanks.
There were a fair few other slaughteryards and knacker's yards in the area, so obviously they were just not listed as businesses in the directory for some reason!
Many thanks for the help anyway.
Hugs
Janie
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