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  • Hamrammr
    Constable
    • Feb 2010
    • 74

    #1

    Connection between two of the murder sites

    I just saw a reference to a Kearley and Tongue 'premises' in Durward Street in another thread. Has this been checked out before, and has there been previous discussion on the possibility if a link i.e. the killer having some connection to Kearley and Tongue? Bit tenuous perhaps but thought I'd mention it.
    "We want to assemble all the incomplete movements, like cubists, until the point is reached where the crime can commit itself."
  • Monty
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 5413

    #2
    Cue the Cap'n.

    Monty
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    • Adam Went
      Inactive
      • Mar 2010
      • 779

      #3
      There were pubs close to a couple of the murder sites as well, maybe he was a barman? A list of that sort could go on forever. In any case, what could the connection possibly be? As far as I'm aware, there was only the nightwatchman on duty at Kearley & Tonge in Mitre Square at the time....and he himself was a former policeman.

      Cheers,
      Adam.

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      • Monty
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 5413

        #4
        Hamrammr,

        Go check the suspect Thomas Cutbush. Also see if you can find AP Wolfs book Jack the Myth which is now available to read online for free.

        It is there that you will find your links.

        Monty
        Monty

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        Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

        http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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        • Hamrammr
          Constable
          • Feb 2010
          • 74

          #5
          Many thanks! Just wanted it cleared up so I didn't have to think about it any more.
          "We want to assemble all the incomplete movements, like cubists, until the point is reached where the crime can commit itself."

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          • Bob Hinton
            Inactive
            • Feb 2008
            • 654

            #6
            Links

            Originally posted by Hamrammr View Post
            Many thanks! Just wanted it cleared up so I didn't have to think about it any more.
            The problem with links in research is that you tend to overlook other links. As already been mentioned, there were also pubs common to all sites, and I think you'll find there were quite a few schools in the immediate area as well, and so the list goes on.

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            • Simon Wood
              Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 5551

              #7
              Hi All,

              Here's one for the list.

              Nichols and Chapman were found within yards of a Harrison & Barber slaughterhouse.

              Regards,

              Simon
              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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              • John Bennett
                Premium Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 1205

                #8
                And if you want to take the idea further, there were schools within yards of the murder sites in Buck's Row, Berner Street, Mitre Square, Castle Alley and Swallow Gardens.

                ;-)

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                • Scott Nelson
                  Superintendent
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 2401

                  #9
                  And to top it all off, every body was found within at least three doors of a costermonger's residence.

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                  • Simon Wood
                    Commissioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 5551

                    #10
                    And to top off Scott, three bodies were found next to a gate.
                    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                    • Monty
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5413

                      #11
                      Apart from Kellys

                      Monty
                      Monty

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                      Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                      http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                      • Steven Russell
                        Sergeant
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 650

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hamrammr View Post
                        I just saw a reference to a Kearley and Tongue 'premises' in Durward Street in another thread. Has this been checked out before, and has there been previous discussion on the possibility if a link i.e. the killer having some connection to Kearley and Tongue? Bit tenuous perhaps but thought I'd mention it.
                        Dear Hamrammr,
                        I was really pleased to read this post. I too was struck by the K&T connection and mentioned it in private messages to another (wiser) casebook member. It seemed to be an original theory at the time. I also contacted an author who I knew had an interest in boats etc. (K&T were tea importers). He was extremely courteous but could offer no additional information apart from the observation that tea ships would probably come from the Far East.

                        I have since learned that supporters of Cutbush have been well aware of this connection / co-incidence for some time so that knocked me down a peg or two. Even so, I feel that it is just this type of thing which drives this site along. Keep thinking and theorising. It's great to be in touch with others whose knowledge surpasses your own and none of them has told me to piss off yet!

                        Best wishes,

                        Steve.

                        Mind you, perhaps it's just a matter of time.

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                        • Hamrammr
                          Constable
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 74

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Steven Russell View Post
                          Dear Hamrammr,
                          I was really pleased to read this post. I too was struck by the K&T connection and mentioned it in private messages to another (wiser) casebook member. It seemed to be an original theory at the time. I also contacted an author who I knew had an interest in boats etc. (K&T were tea importers). He was extremely courteous but could offer no additional information apart from the observation that tea ships would probably come from the Far East.

                          I have since learned that supporters of Cutbush have been well aware of this connection / co-incidence for some time so that knocked me down a peg or two. Even so, I feel that it is just this type of thing which drives this site along. Keep thinking and theorising. It's great to be in touch with others whose knowledge surpasses your own and none of them has told me to piss off yet!

                          Best wishes,

                          Steve.

                          Mind you, perhaps it's just a matter of time.
                          Thanks Steve,

                          I guess the idea of the site is to work through every conceivable possibility until nothing's left... if that's possible. Questions will no doubt repeated ad nauseum for years to come but it's sometimes frustrating searching through previous posts to see if the subject has been raised before. I think most people won't mind answering the same question more than once... hopefully.

                          Who was the nightwatchman at the K&T in Mitre Square?
                          "We want to assemble all the incomplete movements, like cubists, until the point is reached where the crime can commit itself."

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                          • Rob Clack
                            Inactive
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 1708

                            #14
                            Kearley & Tonge were not in Bucks Row, Whites Row in 1888, they probably weren't in Durward Street till after 1895.
                            They were in Thomas Street in the 1895 Directory, but not the 1889 one so they probably opened premises in Thomas Street early 1890s.

                            Rob

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                            • DanaeChantel
                              Constable
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 65

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
                              And to top it all off, every body was found within at least three doors of a costermonger's residence.
                              I'm sorry but what is a costermonger?

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