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**smezenen** · 01-23-2010, 11:13 AM

WOW, exhaustive work there SB, I need more coffee to get thru all this data but its very interesting. I had no idea the numbers would be so high. Guess it shows how uninformed I am. I would like to say thanks for posting your hard work so that rest of us can be more informed.

**Septic Blue** · 01-23-2010, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by smezenen View Post

I had no idea the numbers would be so high.

Please note that the 'Bottom Line' estimates are based on an assumptive 'model', which was designed to err on the side of overestimation.

They are intended to 'conservatively' refute this sort of sensationalist garbage:

--- Click the Above 'Thumbnail' to View the Applicable Portion of an 'A&E Biography' Documentary ---

2:36 / 9:53

Narrator: "In contrast, the 'East End'; where 900,000 impoverished people lived in cramped, filthy slums, ..."

This being said as a slide show depicts a photograph ("The Crawlers"; c. 1877) of a woman cradling a baby, on the steps of the Parish Workhouse of St. Giles in the Fields & St. George Bloomsbury, Short's Gardens, Endell Street, Parish of St. Giles in the Fields � a decidedly 'West End' location.

"900,000 impoverished people" ?????????

From the first of Charles Booth's three surveys �

"Labour and Life of the People: London", Williams & Norgate, 1889-1891

East London (Less Hackney):

- Total Population (1891 Census): 705,114
- Total Population (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 708,675

- Estimated Percentage; Class 'A' ('vicious' (i.e. vice-ridden), 'semi-criminal'): 1.33%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'B' ('very poor'): 11.85%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'C' ('poor' - irregular income): 9.00%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'D' ('poor' - regular but inadequate income): 15.83%

- Estimated Percentage; Below the 'Line of Poverty': 38.00%

- Estimated Percentage; Class 'E' ('above the line of poverty' - regular 'standard' income): 44.31%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'F' ('highly skilled labour'): 11.40%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'G' ('lower middle-class'): 4.54%
- Estimated Percentage; Class 'H' ('upper middle-class'): 1.75%

- Estimated Percentage; Above the 'Line of Poverty': 62.00%

Booth's data would suggest that London's 'East End', in 1888, was inhabited by ~710,000 persons, of whom ~270,000 were "impoverished"; and of whom ~95,000 lived in "cramped, filthy slums".

Those numbers are indeed alarming; but each is a 'far-cry' from being "900,000".

3:03 / 9:53

Martin Fido: "The 'East End' � at the end of the 1880's � an area where at any time, almost any woman might have to prostitute herself - as the only way to feed her children."

This being said as a slide show depicts a photograph ("Evicted"; from George R. Sims's "Living London") of an eviction scene, that I believe occurred in either Southwark or Bermondsey.

"an area where at any time, almost any woman might have to prostitute herself" ?????????

That is unadulterated bullshit!

Originally posted by smezenen View Post

I would like to say thanks for posting your hard work ...

You are most welcome!

**Hunter** · 01-24-2010, 06:31 AM

Prostitutes

Hi Septic, Be careful about those assumptions

All kidding aside; I just wanted to say good work. That's still alot of "unfortunates" don't you think.

I've come across an essay about a book written by Judith Walkowitz -Prostitution and Victorian Society, 1980, Cambridge University Press.
It says she references a questionaire of 16,000 prostitutes at the Milbank Penitentiary in the late 1800's. There might be some interesting stuff in there if it can be located. I'm from the U. S. and its hard to get copies of some U.K. manuscripts here. Have you heard of this questionaire or know someone that might be able to locate it? It may just be statistical information but could have more.

**Septic Blue** · 01-24-2010, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Hunter View Post

I've come across an essay about a book written by Judith Walkowitz -Prostitution and Victorian Society, 1980, Cambridge University Press.
It says she references a questionaire of 16,000 prostitutes at the Milbank Penitentiary in the late 1800's. There might be some interesting stuff in there if it can be located. I'm from the U. S. and its hard to get copies of some U.K. manuscripts here. Have you heard of this questionaire or know someone that might be able to locate it? It may just be statistical information but could have more.

Part I
Prostitution, social science, and venereal disease

Chapter 1
The common prostitute in Victorian Britain

Page 18: "In a late-nineteenth-century survey, 2,836 out of 16,000 prostitutes gave "seduction" as the immediate cause for their going on the streets; …"

Page 21: "In the Millbank prison sample, for example, 14,000 out of 16,000 prostitutes indicated they were led away by such allurements as "nothing to do; plenty of money; your own mistress; perfect liberty; being a lady."50"

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Notes to pp. 19-22

Page 263: "50. Merrick, Work Among the Fallen, p. 39."

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Amazon.com:

Work Among the Fallen as Seen in the Prison Cell: A Paper Read Before the Ruri-Decanal Chapter of St. Margaret's and St. John's, Westminster, in the Jerusalem ... Chamber, on Thursday, July 17, 1890 [1890]

Publisher: Cornell University Library (December 15, 2009)

Note the most recent date of 'reprint'! I have just ordered a copy!

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Ms. Walkowitz must surely own the World's Record for the 'fastest' mistake, in a printed publication: Four Words.

Page 13: "This East End prostitute …"

This, the opening phrase of the book's entire narrative, is in reference to a quotation from "Prostitution in London", Bracebridge Hemyng; which can be found in "London Labour and the London Poor", Henry Mayhew; Volume IV: "Those That Will Not Work".

It is taken from an interview with a prostitute known as 'Swindling Sal', whose promenade was the New Cut, … in the Parish of St. Mary Lambeth, County of Surrey: ... That being in South London (near Waterloo Station); and for that matter, on the opposite side of the Thames, from London's 'East End'.

Ms. Walkowitz was clearly assuming that London's 'vice of a low social-order', was confined during the Victorian era; … to its eastern quarter.

**Hunter** · 01-24-2010, 09:22 PM

Thank you for your reply SB.

Yes, I am familiar with the controversy that the author instigated by her premise in the book, which was the subject of the essay that I found.
I was wandering if the questionaire, itself, that she used to base her claims was still available in print.

**Septic Blue** · 01-25-2010, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Hunter View Post

I was wandering if the questionaire, itself, that she used to base her claims was still available in print.

I don't know! But, when my copy of "Work Among the Fallen" arrives, …

Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

Amazon.com:

Work Among the Fallen as Seen in the Prison Cell: A Paper Read Before the Ruri-Decanal Chapter of St. Margaret's and St. John's, Westminster, in the Jerusalem ... Chamber, on Thursday, July 17, 1890 [1890]

Publisher: Cornell University Library (December 15, 2009)

Note the most recent date of 'reprint'! I have just ordered a copy!

… I'll let you know if the author goes into any greater detail, with regard to the survey, itself.

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By the way, …

Given your involvement in reenactments; are you familiar with the Battle of Franklin?

My Great Great Grandfather, Deering John Roberts, was the field-surgeon that operated on Captain 'Tod' Carter, in the so-called 'Carter House'. His father, John Roberts, was christened in the Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch, which of course, provided mortuary accommodation for the remains of Mary Jane Kelly.

**Phil Carter** · 01-25-2010, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

My Great Great Grandfather, Deering John Roberts, was the field-surgeon that operated on Captain 'Tod' Carter, in the so-called 'Carter House'. His father, John Roberts, was christened in the Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch, which of course, provided mortuary accommodation for the remains of Mary Jane Kelly.

Hello all,

Before anyone asks... As far as I know.. no relation!

best wishes

Phil

**Hunter** · 01-25-2010, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

By the way, �

Given your involvement in reenactments; are you familiar with the Battle of Franklin?

My Great Great Grandfather, Deering John Roberts, was the field-surgeon that operated on Captain 'Tod' Carter, in the so-called 'Carter House'. His father, John Roberts, was christened in the Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch, which of course, provided mortuary accommodation for the remains of Mary Jane Kelly.

Yes, SB, I've been to Franklin many times. Sadly, there's not much of the old battlefield left as urban development has overtaken most of it. Unlike Shiloh ( which I live nearby) and other battlefields that were made into National Parks, Franklin was a battle that both sides seemed to want to forget. It came near the end of the war when further slaughter seemed useless .The 'Carter House' is still standing and is a historical monument. The bullet holes are still in the woodwork and give testament to the savagry of the battle.

My cavalry unit has camped at the Carnton Mansion many times for 'living histories'. The Confederate dead are buried in the family cemetary there. 1500 of them were killed in 4 hours. 5 dead Confederate generals were layed out on the front porch after the battle and there are a lot of ghost stories about the place . It is eerie sleeping on those grounds at night.

**Septic Blue** · 03-01-2010, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

... are you familiar with the Battle of Franklin?

My Great-Great-Grandfather, Deering John Roberts, was the field-surgeon that operated on Captain 'Tod' Carter, in the so-called 'Carter House'. His father, John Roberts, was christened in the Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch, which of course, provided mortuary accommodation for the remains of Mary Jane Kelly.

I completely forgot to mention the other 'mortuary connection'.

While John Roberts was baptized in the Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch; he was later married in the Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate.

The Parish Church of St. Leonard Shoreditch, October 2007 (Click to Enlarge in flickr)

The Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate, October 2007 (Click to Enlarge in flickr)

So, what? Right?

The City of London Mortuary, which of course, provided accommodation for the remains of Catherine Eddowes; was situated on Golden Lane, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London; about 350 yards north of St. Giles's Parish Church. While the mortuary was neither owned nor operated by the parish, itself*; it was indeed situated within its parochial boundaries.

* It was owned and operated by the Corporation of the City of London

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Neither the City of London Mortuary, nor the Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate was situated in the 'East End'. But, they were both indeed 'local' to the sequence of 'Whitechapel Murders', that occurred between 7 August and 9 November, 1888.

Murder 'Locale' - Immediate Vicinity; General Vicinity; Broad Vicinity (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010

Green (left-to-right / top-to-bottom):

- The Metropolitan Meat & Poultry Market*, Charterhouse Street; Parish of St. Sepulchre ('without Newgate'), Farringdon Ward Without, City of London / Parish of St. Sepulchre ('without Newgate'), County of Middlesex

- The City of London Mortuary, Golden Lane, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

- The Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Fore Street, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

* As a prominent feature on any cartographic depiction of London; 'Smithfield Market' is included, for an enhanced perspective of the relative locations, of the other two plotted landmarks

Red: Greatest Deviation (Polly Nichols) 0.00 - 1.38 Standard Deviations

- Radius: 843.50 Yards
- Area: 0.72 Square-Miles
- Expectation of Distribution Accumulation: 77.30%*

* Given a perception of late November 1888 that this series of murders would continue ad infinitum; the expectation should have been that 77.30% would occur within the specified circular area, i.e. within 1.38 Standard Deviations of the murder-site Mean-Center (green dot).

This can be loosely interpreted to mean that in late November 1888, the perceived probability of the impending subsequent murder occurring within this circular area, should have been 77.30%.

Red / Aqua: 0.00% - 90.00% Stipulated Expectation of Distribution Accumulation*

- 0.00 - 2.02 Standard Deviations
- Radius: 1,234.67 Yards
- Area: 1.55 Square-Miles

* Given a perception of late November 1888 that this series of murders would continue ad infinitum; the expectation should have been that 90.00% would occur within the specified circular area, i.e. within 2.02 Standard Deviations of the murder-site Mean-Center (green dot).

This can be loosely interpreted to mean that in late November 1888, the perceived probability of the impending subsequent murder occurring within this circular area, should have been 90.00%.

The 'Broad Vicinity' (Purple) will be explained, as my "Informal Presentation of Geo-Spatial Analysis Project" progresses.

The 'East End' (1888) (Red) (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010

Murder 'Locale' in the Context of a Larger 'East End' (1888) (Red) (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010

Again; neither the City of London Mortuary, nor the Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate was situated in London's 'East End'. But, they were both indeed 'local' to the sequence of so-called 'Whitechapel Murders', that occurred between 7 August and 9 November, 1888.

They were also, more-or-less, the 'focal point' of that portion of the murder-site 'Broad Vicinity' (Purple), which lay west of the 'East End': That being the area, which I have dubbed the 'Forgotten Vicinity'.

I would also include that portion of the murder-site 'Broad Vicinity' (Purple), which lay south of the River Thames, in the so-named 'Forgotten Vicinity'. But, there would be a clearly defined distinction between the two areas; and, as such, I will defer my analysis of the County-of-Surrey portion of the 'Forgotten Vicinity', to some later point in time.

I have often felt that our 'focus' on London's 'East End', in our quest to better understand the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper', has amounted to nothing less than 'tunnel-vision'. It would appear, for instance, that many of us perceive the terms 'local' and 'East Ender' as being interchangeable: i.e. that one who resided 'locally' to this series of murders, in 1888, was inherently an 'East Ender'; and conversely, that any 'East Ender', of 1888, inherently resided 'locally'.

However, much of 1888's 'East End' was plainly and simply not deserving of the distinction 'local', with respect to the sequence of 'Whitechapel Murders', that occurred between 7 August and 9 November, 1888: Specifically, that portion, which lay east of Regent's Canal …

… including portions of …

- The Parish of St. Matthew Bethnal Green
- The Hamlet of Mile End Old Town
- The Parish of St. Anne Limehouse

… and the entireties of …

- The Parish of St. Mary Stratford Bow
- The Parish of Bromley St. Leonard
- The Parish of All Saints Poplar

And, a sizable portion of the area that was 'local' to this sequence of 'Whitechapel Murders', was not in London's 'East End'.

Murder 'Locale' - Immediate Vicinity; General Vicinity; Broad Vicinity (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010

Green (left-to-right / top-to-bottom):

- The Metropolitan Meat & Poultry Market*, Charterhouse Street; Parish of St. Sepulchre ('without Newgate'), Farringdon Ward Without, City of London / Parish of St. Sepulchre ('without Newgate'), County of Middlesex

- The City of London Mortuary, Golden Lane, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

- The Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Fore Street, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

Yellow: A Symmetric 'Reflection' of the Green Color-Shadings, with Respect to the Longitudinal Axis (Vertical), which Passes Through the Murder-Site Mean-Center (Green Dot)

I would contend that someone living in the vicinity of the City of London Mortuary, in 1888, resided just as 'locally' to this sequence of murders, as did, for example, George Lusk; whose 1888 domicile in Tollet Street, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town, if plotted in the above image, would appear approximately 200 yards north/northeast of the mortuary's plotted yellow 'reflection'.

I would also contend that someone living in the vicinity of the Parish Church of St. Giles without Cripplegate, in 1888, resided just as 'locally' to this sequence of murders, as did anyone living in the vicinity of the Arbour Square Police Station (Metropolitan Police Force, H Division), Charles Street, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town; which if plotted in the above image, would appear approximately 360 yards south/southwest of the church's plotted yellow 'reflection'.

And, I would contend that someone living in the vicinity of Smithfield Market, in 1888, resided just as 'locally' to this sequence of murders, as did, for example, the so-called 'Morganstone'; whose purported domicile in the vicinity of the Commercial Gas Works*, Rhodeswell Road / Johnson Street, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town, if plotted in the above image, would appear 'underneath' and slightly north of the eastern half of the market's plotted yellow 'reflection'.

* Apparently; a.k.a. 'Stepney Gas Works'

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The 'Forgotten Locals'

So, how numerous were they?

The City of London

Total Population (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 42,561

- Percentage of Total Population Living Below the 'Line of Poverty' (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 31.49%
- Percentage of Total Population Living Above the 'Line of Poverty' (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 68.51%

Total Population (1891 Census): 38,362

- City of London Registration District: 38,320
- Whitechapel Registration District: 42
--- {The Parish of St. Mary Whitechapel (Portion within the City of London)}

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That Portion of the City of London, which Lay West of the Murder-Site 'Broad Vicinity' (Purple)*:
- The Parish of St. Andrew Holborn (Portion within the City of London): 2,546
--- {Furnival's Inn}
- Barnard's Inn: 59
- Thavie's Inn: 109
- The Parish of St. Dunstan in the West: 1,058
- The Parish of St. Bride: 2,208
- Serjeant's Inn: 50
- The Temple (Middle): 95
- The Temple (Inner): 96
- The Precinct of Whitefriars: 393
- The Precinct of Bridewell: 468

* Essentially, that portion of the City, which lay west of Farringdon Road / Farringdon Street / New Bridge Street / Blackfriar's Bridge

- Sub-Total: 7,082

That Portion of the City of London, which Lay, more-or-less, within the Murder-Site 'Immediate Vicinity' / 'General Vicinity' (Red/Aqua)*:
- The Parish of St. Botolph without Bishopsgate: 3,078
- The Parish of St. Peter le Poor: 270
- The Parish of All Hallows ('London Wall'): 183
- The Parish of St. Ethelburga: 158
- The Parish of St. Helen: 251
- The Parish of St. Andrew Undershaft: 218
- The Parish of St. James ('Duke's Place'): 359
- The Parish of St. Katharine Cree: 445
- The Parish of St. Katharine Coleman: 237
- The Parish of All Hallows Staining: 128
- The Parish of St. Olave ('Hart Street'): 236
- The Parish of All Hallows Barking: 447
- The Parish of St. Botolph without Aldgate (Portion within the City of London): 5,866
- The Parish of St. Mary Whitechapel (Portion within the City of London, -1900): 42

* Essentially, that portion of the City, which lay within its eastern perimeter: i.e. the portion, which most of us might have already considered to have been 'local'

- Sub-Total: 11,918

- Total (Not within the 'Forgotten Vicinity'): 19,000

- Total (Within the 'Forgotten Vicinity'): 19,362

The County of Middlesex

- The Combined Parish of St. James & St. John Clerkenwell: (Not Estimated, at this Point in Time)
- The Charter House: 136
- The Liberty of Glasshouse Yard: 779
- The Parish of St. Luke: 42,440
- The Parish of St. Sepulchre (Portion within the County of Middlesex, -1889; … the County of London, 1889-1965): 1,972

- Total (Within the 'Forgotten Vicinity'): 45,327

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- Estimated Total*; The 'Forgotten Vicinity': 64,689

* The City of London & The County of Middlesex

Approximately 64,689 persons, who resided just as 'locally', as did:

Sizable portions of the populations of ...

- The Parish of St. Matthew Bethnal Green
- The Hamlet of Mile End Old Town
- The Parish of St. Anne Limehouse
- The Parish of St. George in the East

Major portions of the populations of ...

- The Parish of St. Leonard Shoreditch
- The Parish of St. John of Wapping

The Entireties of the populations of ...

- The Hamlet of Ratcliff
- The Parish of St. Paul Shadwell

Approximately 64,689 persons; i.e. slightly less than the 1891 population of ...

The Whitechapel Registration District / Poor Law Union:
- The Liberty of Norton Folgate
- The Old Artillery Ground
- The Parish of Christ Church Spitalfields
- The Hamlet of Mile End New Town
- The Parish of Holy Trinity ('Minories')
- The Parish of St. Mary Whitechapel (portion within the County of Middlesex, -1889; the County of London, 1889-1965)
- The Liberty of Her Majesty's Tower of London
--- {The Liberty of the Tower}
--- {The Precinct of Old Tower Without}
--- {The Tower}
- The Precinct of St. Katharine
- The Parish of St. Botolph without Aldgate (portion within the County of Middlesex, -1889; the County of London, 1889-1965)

- Total Population (1891 Census): 74,462*
- Total Population (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 73,518

* Including ...
- The Parish of St. Mary Whitechapel (Portion within the City of London, -1900): 42

- Percentage of Total Population Living Below the 'Line of Poverty' (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 39.20%
- Percentage of Total Population Living Above the 'Line of Poverty' (Charles Booth 1889 Estimate): 60.80%

Approximately 64,689 persons; ignored and hence 'Forgotten', in our quest to better understand the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper'.

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The 'Forgotten Locals'

So, who were they?

The answer to this question will require a great deal of further research.

While it should come as no surprise to most readers, that the 'Forgotten Vicinity' was likely inhabited by fewer Jews, and perhaps more Italians, than was the Whitechapel Registration District, in 1888; it may come as a big surprise to many, that its ~64,689 denizens probably endured as much, if not more deprivation, than did the 74,462 residents of the Whitechapel Registration District, during the same period of time.

A Portion of Charles Booth's "'Map Shewing Degrees of Poverty in London': In Areas with About 30,000 Inhabitants in Each; Compiled from Information Collected in 1889-1890" (My Color-Shadings)

White Dot: The City of London Mortuary, Golden Lane, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

Areas, in which the rate of poverty was greater than 50.00% …

Estimated Percentage of Inhabitants that Lived Below Booth's 'Line of Poverty'; i.e. "In Poverty":

- '86' (Grey): 67.90%
- '41' (Grey): 60.90%
- '56' (Navy): 58.70%
- '88' (Navy): 56.10%
- '89' (Navy): 55.00%

A Portion of Charles Booth's "'Map Shewing Degrees of Poverty in London': In Areas with About 30,000 Inhabitants in Each; Compiled from Information Collected in 1889-1890" (My Color-Shadings)

White Dot: The City of London Mortuary, Golden Lane, Parish of St. Giles without Cripplegate, Cripplegate Ward Without, City of London

"School Board Blocks", in which the rate of poverty was greater than 66.67% (i.e. two thirds) …

Estimated Number of Inhabitants that Lived Below Booth's 'Line of Poverty'; i.e. "In Poverty":

- '41b': 4,351 (85.20%)
- '88f': 8,136 (80.90%)
- '41a': 719 (79.30%)
- '86e': 9,320 (78.70%)
- '86d': 8,208 (77.20%)
- '56b': 9,287 (75.40%)
- '88d': 2,784 (74.20%)
- '92a': 4,459 (70.90%)
- '92g': 1,629 (68.50%)
- '89c': 5,733 (68.40%)
- '92c': 8,895 (67.00%)

I will attempt to clarify Booth's analysis, in the context of the 'Forgotten Vicinity', at some later date. Perhaps I should do so, by way of a new 'thread'.

I will also attempt to further my analysis of 'Prostitution and Charles Booth's Socio-Economic Classifications', i.e. the subject of this 'thread', by including the so-named 'Forgotten Vicinity'.

**Roy Corduroy** · 03-02-2010, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post

I will attempt to clarify Booth's analysis, in the context of the 'Forgotten Vicinity', at some later date. Perhaps I should do so, by way of a new 'thread'.

I will also attempt to further my analysis of 'Prostitution and Charles Booth's Socio-Economic Classifications', i.e. the subject of this 'thread', by including the so-named 'Forgotten Vicinity'.

That would be welcome, SB. You've already clarified a lot. This thread being a continuation of your posts in "Poverty in Whitechapel" (click here)

The core Whitechapel area was, to some extent ringed by poverty. For instance, 56B is the Nichol. But in widening the scope of our search, does that mean we then signify poverty as a predictor of serial killer behavior? It could just be there are a lot of poor areas.

In any case, your detailed analysis is outstanding, and helpful to forums members understanding Booth and maps together.

Roy

**protohistorian** · 03-02-2010, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Roy Corduroy View Post

That would be welcome, SB. You've already clarified a lot. This thread being a continuation of your posts in "Poverty in Whitechapel" (click here)

The core Whitechapel area was, to some extent ringed by poverty. For instance, 56B is the Nichol. But in widening the scope of our search, does that mean we then signify poverty as a predictor of serial killer behavior? It could just be there are a lot of poor areas.

In any case, your detailed analysis is outstanding, and helpful to forums members understanding Booth and maps together.

Roy

Hello Roy. It is not as black and white as poverty as a predictor to SK behavior. In northern climates, poverty ( and the ill housing it fosters) lead to increased viral load. Maternal viral exposure in the second trimester has been proven to effect fetal brain development significantly. Add to this the maladaptive behaviors rife in most chronically poor communities, and you have a significant part of the phenomenon we see. Dave

**Gman992** · 03-02-2010, 11:19 AM

I am sure that there was plenty of high-class prostitution in the West End...except nobody ever talked about it and the police were bought off.

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