Your paranormal experiences at the murder sites?

[Mike Covell]

Hello you all!

One thing did happen to me in 2007, while visiting The Ten Bells in London;

I took a photo. There was a strawberry-blonde girl in the pub, but she wasn't in the copy!

What makes this irrelevant to JtR, is; if she was Mary Kelly, why she was wearing a modern black blouse and modern black trousers?! And had a modern black purse?!

All the best
Jukka

Forget EVP's, I want to know more about Jukka stalking East End ladies and taking photo's of them in pubs!

[Suzi]

Lol- I was in the 10 Bells....................

[Stephen Thomas]

true skepticism requires doubting all, even ones own beliefs, which is why most people are not skeptics, they are believers of one ilk or another and they will rarely be convinced even by overwhelming evidence, that they might be wrong.

Wise words, Ally, wise words indeed.

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

I have never experienced anything remotely paranormal around the East End... but have witnessed a lot of nice people!

best wishes

Phil

[John Bennett]

What was the name John?

Adam,

Can't remember, but it wasn't Martha, I know that much!

[Robert]

I heard an Electronic Voice Phenomenon on TV the other day. It turned out to be Stephen Hawking.

As for pookahs, I don't believe in them, and nor does Harvey, because I've asked him.

[The Good Michael]

I heard an Electronic Voice Phenomenon on TV the other day. It turned out to be Stephen Hawking.

Is it possible that you have uncovered the answer for all EVP activity? How does he get around so quickly?

Mike

[The Good Michael]

oh no. The woman told police that the person taken from their apartment would be found in a dumpter behind a warehouse on a certain side of town and that the killer was a friend of the victim's roommate. and it all turned out to be true. and if I'm not mistaken, the psychic wasn't local. she was brought in from somewhere else and just looked at some clothes and pictures of the victim.

Look at what you just told me that the psychic knew:

1: The woman lived in an apartment
2. She had a rooommate.
3. She looked at pictures

These are important things to any police investigation.


She investigated. How much didn't the TV show reveal? That's the real question, and I don't trust TV and its purpose, which is to make money.

Cheers,

Mike

[Barnaby]

No you don't. The fact that you dismiss out of hand that there might have been something to the story of the psychic and the dumpster, and conclude, with no evidence whatsoever, that the sheriff who backed the psychic was lying, proves that you are utterly convinced you are right and do not believe you could be wrong.

You don't know the sheriff, the story or the case but you dismiss it out of hand with "tv shows are full of lies". As if that proves anything, when in fact, it does not. You have no proof of your claim that the sheriff and the psychic made lucky guesses and lied but you are not open to the possibility that without proof you are just as wrong in your belief others are in theirs.

While Ally has a point that we shouldn't outright call people liers without evidence, doesn't the burden of proof fall on those claiming a psychic experience? Given that no one has ever demonstrated any psychic ability under controlled conditions, perhaps the Good Michael is correct to outright dismiss these sorts of claims. In defense of the the Good Michael, I don't know of any skeptic who is agnostic of the issue of psychic detectives. If this means that people who publish in magazines like "The Skeptical Inquirer" and "Skeptic" aren't truly skeptical, then so be it. If skeptics are "believers" in things that are empirically based, more power to them!

[Jeff Leahy]

Look at what you just told me that the psychic knew:

1: The woman lived in an apartment
2. She had a rooommate.
3. She looked at pictures

These are important things to any police investigation.


She investigated. How much didn't the TV show reveal? That's the real question, and I don't trust TV and its purpose, which is to make money.

Cheers,

Mike

Hey Mike, dont shoot the messenger. TV psychic shows, at least in the UK, are clearly labeled as entertainment. And thats what they are.

To my knowledge there is no cheating, at least on the ones I've produced.

However psychic information is just stuff. If psychics were any good we'd all be using them...

The power of a good editor is everything. That doesnt mean we make stuff up..just that you dont get to see the stuff that doesnt fit or they got wrong.

TV psychic shows like 'psychic Detective' and 'Psychic Private Eyes' are purely entertainment. You guys can make of them what you will.

But don't blame the messenger.

Pirate Jack

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I Have walked the area [ whitechapel] ,many times albeit not recently, infact some of you may recall that in the autumn of 1965 I decided upon a pilgrimage to visit the sites on the very date/time of the murders.
This I managed to do, and apart from being extremely bored waiting to venture into the streets at the relevant times, the only fear I felt was from the living, and being worried that I may be accosted by some drunk or dosser, which thankfully did not happen.
Bucks Row was the most eirie place , proberly because it was my first, and imagination was present, but nothing drastic.
However on another occassion, I believe in the mid 1070s, I was walking along Duval street,towards Commercial street, and I was the only one there, I became aware of the stoney silience, even though I could clearly see the traffic filing by, it was being achieved in total silience.
That was a strange experience , it was almost if for a few seconds, the hustle and bustle of whitechapel was cancelled out.
I shall always remember that .
Regards Richard.

[The Good Michael]

The power of a good editor is everything. That doesnt mean we make stuff up..just that you dont get to see the stuff that doesnt fit or they got wrong.

Jack,

I'm of the opinion that all media is illusory to some extent. It is what the artist/creator/editor wants people to see, and for whatever purposes. It is all dishonest. That doesn't mean I don't like it, nor that it isn't of value. I know you produce shows, so I know that you know what I'm talking about. Example: just watched 'Jack the Ripper in America'. Huge amounts of intellectual dishonesty, but I found a few moments of value in it.

Cheers,

Mike

[JTRSickert]

Does anyone think it would be difficult to set up "ghost-hunting" equipment around the sites? Like, maybe placing some cameras there overnight to record (while someone watches so that no pranksters come by and mess with the cameras), recording possible EVPs, measuring electromagnetic fields in the area, etc.

I'll tell you one thing though....if I recorded EVPs asking for names of people and one came up that said "I was Jack the Ripper", first, I'd piss myself and then I'd probably run screaming like a little girl. LOL!!!!

[The Good Michael]

I'll tell you one thing though....if I recorded EVPs asking for names of people and one came up that said "I was Jack the Ripper", first, I'd piss myself and then I'd probably run screaming like a little girl. LOL!!!!

Me, too JTR. Me too. It is about the fear of the unknown. Though I'm an unbeliever, I still have that old lingering nonsense that was beaten into my head as a kid.

Cheers,

Mike

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Mike!

Forget EVP's, I want to know more about Jukka stalking East End ladies and taking photo's of them in pubs!

Shhh, don't tell my girl-friend!

All the best
Jukka