The International Working Mens Association/Wiiliam Wess

Hi again all,

Im pleased that the information seems to be of interest to more than just myself.

I found the 3 languages spoken by Wess interesting Tom, and that Hungarian wasnt listed....and that he was a founder of the club that later became Secretary.....it makes his appearance first at the Inquest somewhat more understandable for me.

Ill pass on anything else I find of interest.

My best regards

[Phil Carter]

Germans and Belgians are often confused. For instance, Le Grand was most likely a German, but referred to sometimes as a Belgian. I don't believe it's the same Turner though.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Well, Tom, my mesenteric attachments are rumbling...

that name (Turner from 1901), with THAT reputation, in that place, in 1888, twice connected (one via the Le Grand name), in different situations of the case .....

I believe this needs looking at.

Because if it is... we have a suspect.

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Germans and Belgians are often confused. For instance, Le Grand was most likely a German, but referred to sometimes as a Belgian. I don't believe it's the same Turner though.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil. Wasn't the John Turner in the other thread a Belgian?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi Tom, Yes.. in 1901.

The Working Men's International Association was founded in St. Martin's Hall, London, on Sept. 28, 1864. The gathering elected a committee with instructions to prepare a provisional platform and constitution for an international workingmen's association. This committee consisted of 21 Englishmen, 10 Germans, 9 French, 6 Italians, 2 Poles, and 2 Swiss.

So 24 years before, a Belgian isn't listed.

What of 1888??

Like I said, could it be the same man?

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil. Wasn't the John Turner in the other thread a Belgian?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

Another coincidental name in this case....?

I would love to know for sure it ISN'T the same person. And what if it was?

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil,

I don't believe they're one and the same, although those Berner Street boys often went to jail. Some went to America. I think Diemschutz probably ended up in New Jersey, because some of his friends settled there and stayed involved in socialism.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Archaic,

I lost a lot of notes long ago in a computer crash. Other stuff comes from rare volumes I own. I'm pretty much typing from memory these days. However, after I get out my official 'Ripper book', I plan to do a volume called 'Jack the Ripper and the London Anarchists' that should have some neat stuff.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

Hang on a minute... Tom... look at that list of names...

JOHN TURNER

Is that not the SAME name as a certain person talked about on another thread in conjunction with a later incarceration?

oh my

best wishes

Phil

[KatBradshaw]

[QUOTE=perrymason;111662.

[I]During Wess’ secretaryship the Berners Street club became famous as a centre of enlightenment and propaganda. Among well-known people who lectured or addressed meetings there were William Morris, Annie Besant, John Burns, Peter Kropotkin, Stepniak, John [Johann] Most, Elisée Reclus and Errico Malatesta. Active British comrades of the time, such as Charles Mowbray, Frank Kitz, David Nicol [Nicoll], Ted Legget [Leggatt], John Turner and George Cores also addressed meetings from its platform.

Wow thats an impressive line up!!

[Archaic]

Hi, Michael; great find!

I've always found it interesting that Besant spoke there.

Tom, if you could possibly post your info about the Match Girl location on Hanbury Street, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks very much, Archaic

[Phil Carter]

Yes, a great find, Michael. And the Berner Street Club actually had their Matchgirls Strike center located at (I believe) 22 Hanbury Street. Yes, I said Hanbury Street. I have some pics of it somewhere.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hello Tom,

Am I correct in assuming that 22 Hanbury St was then on the opposite side of the road to No.29.... 3 or 4 doors down? Or the same side, 7 doors down?

And the connection here of course... Is the International Working Men's Club. OR it's patrons.

I wonder...

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello again all,

What is more... we have names there, we do not know what time period all of these names were still members of the said club... but.. even so..

Could we have a name or two in that lot that Liz Stride used to chore for?

Among well-known people who lectured or addressed meetings there were William Morris, Annie Besant, John Burns, Peter Kropotkin, Stepniak, John [Johann] Most, Elisée Reclus and Errico Malatesta. Active British comrades of the time, such as Charles Mowbray, Frank Kitz, David Nicol [Nicoll], Ted Legget [Leggatt], John Turner and George Cores also addressed meetings from its platform.

And Wess himself, of course.

best wishes

Phil

[Tom_Wescott]

Yes, a great find, Michael. And the Berner Street Club actually had their Matchgirls Strike center located at (I believe) 22 Hanbury Street. Yes, I said Hanbury Street. I have some pics of it somewhere.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello Michael,

Utterly wonderful find!

I saw this stick out immediately..

But the club, true to its practical Anarchist character, did not merely gather the poor girls and women together to listen to speeches, and to parade them in strike processions, but fed them, to the best of its ability, with bread and butter, cake, tea, etc., to maintain their stamina.

Welcome one, welcome all...

Welcome Liz Stride.

Would that explain her being there possibly? Not JUST to meet a date?

best wishes

Phil