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  • Whether or not one puts any stock in the Royals theory of Ripperology, it's part of the history of research into he WC murders, so it's interesting to see these photos. Almost any photos related to London of that time period are interesting to me.
    "What our ancestors would really be thinking, if they were alive today, is: "Why is it so dark in here?"" From Pyramids by Sir Terry Pratchett, a British National Treasure.

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    • Cellar of the White Hart (Klosowski's barbershop), 19th Feb 2010. It's the only part of the cellar that you can stand up straight in!


      This corner was where the door originally was which led down from an entrance in Gunthorpe Street.
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      • Wow, well done John!!!
        Christian

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        • I had a drink in there for the first time (The White Hart) on New Years Eve - do you know the barman/owner? Or did you just ask?

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          • Originally posted by AdamWalsh View Post
            Not quite the East-End ...
            That's because it's the 'West End'.

            But, so what? I believe our 'focus' on the 'East End', in our quest to better understand the mystery of 'Jack the Ripper', amounts to nothing less than 'tunnel-vision'.

            Originally posted by AdamWalsh View Post
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            The Central London Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Pancras

            1778 - 1836: The Parish Workhouse of St. Paul Covent Garden

            1836 - ~1870: The Strand Union Workhouse

            ~1870 - ~1874: The Strand Union Infirmary

            ~1874 - ~1900: The Central London Sick Asylum*

            * The Central London District of the Metropolitan Asylums Board (1868 - 1930):

            - The Strand Poor Law Union** (1868 - 1913); (part of) The City of Westminster Poor Law Union** (1913 - 1930)
            - The Westminster Poor Law Union** (1868 - 1913); (part of) The City of Westminster Poor Law Union** (1913 - 1930)
            - The Combined Parish of St. Giles in the Fields & St. George Bloomsbury
            - The Parish of St. Pancras (1869 - 1930)

            ** The Strand Poor Law Union (1836 - 1913):

            - The Parish of St. Clement Danes
            - The Liberty of the Rolls
            - The Parish of St. Paul Covent Garden
            - The Precinct of the Savoy
            - The Parish of St. Mary le Strand
            - The Parish of St. Anne Westminster (a.k.a. 'St. Anne Soho') (1837 - 1868)
            - The Parish of St. Martin in the Fields (1868 - 1913)

            ** The Westminster Poor Law Union (1868 - 1913):

            - The Parish of St. James Westminster (a.k.a. 'St. James Picadilly')
            - The Parish of St. Anne Westminster (a.k.a. 'St. Anne Soho')

            ** The City of Westminster Poor Law Union (1913 - 1922):

            - The Parish of St. George Hanover Square
            - The Combined Parish of St. Margaret & St. John the Evangelist, City of Westminster
            - The Close of the Collegiate Church of St. Peter, City of Westminster
            - The Parish of St. James Westminster (a.k.a. 'St. James Picadilly')
            - The Parish of St. Anne Westminster (a.k.a. 'St. Anne Soho')
            - The Parish of St. Clement Danes
            - The Liberty of the Rolls
            - The Parish of St. Paul Covent Garden
            - The Precinct of the Savoy
            - The Parish of St. Mary le Strand
            - The Parish of St. Martin in the Fields


            The Central London Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Pancras, 2007

            Originally posted by AdamWalsh View Post
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            Sight of 21 Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Marylebone (Demolished in Early 1890's)
            Sight of Eastern Wing of Middlesex Hospital (Demolished in 2009)

            The most-infamous 19 Cleveland Street stood just off the left edge of the above photograph.


            19 Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Marylebone (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
            Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
            Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010

            Blue: The Central London Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Pancras
            Green Dot: Approximate Position, from which Adam Walsh's Street-Sign Photograph was Taken
            Yellow Line: Line-of-Sight of Aforementioned Street-Sign Photograph
            Red: 19 Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Marylebone


            19 Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Marylebone (Click to Enlarge in flickr)
            Underlying Aerial Imagery: Copyright Google Earth, 2007
            Overlying Plots, Labels and Color-Shadings: Copyright Colin C. Roberts, 2010


            Sight of 19 Cleveland Street, Parish of St. Marylebone (Demolished in Early 1890's)
            Eastern Wing of Middlesex Hospital (Demolished in 2009)
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            • Originally posted by AdamWalsh View Post
              I had a drink in there for the first time (The White Hart) on New Years Eve - do you know the barman/owner? Or did you just ask?
              I go there a lot. I just asked the guv'nor if m_w_r and I could see the cellar - gave him our 'credentials' and he was fine, as long as it was during a quiet time. He said he gets asked 4-5 times a week!

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              • Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
                I go there a lot. I just asked the guv'nor if m_w_r and I could see the cellar - gave him our 'credentials' and he was fine, as long as it was during a quiet time. He said he gets asked 4-5 times a week!
                Didn't Vic Reeves take a psychic down there in his Sky documentary?

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                • Great pics there John. Many thanks for posting them.

                  Now, with regards to your "credentials", would they work on the London Job if we tried to get into the Pinchin Street arch, or the board school building on Durward Street....?

                  And what exactly are these "credentials" of which you speak?

                  All the best
                  Andrew

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                  • Originally posted by Andrew Firth View Post
                    And what exactly are these "credentials" of which you speak?

                    All the best
                    Andrew
                    Oh, I just made it clear we weren't 'tourists'!

                    JB

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                    • Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
                      Cellar of the White Hart (Klosowski's barbershop), 19th Feb 2010. It's the only part of the cellar that you can stand up straight in!


                      This corner was where the door originally was which led down from an entrance in Gunthorpe Street.
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                      Great hairdressers- and great supplies- better than the ' Would you like a coffee?'
                      'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                      • Originally posted by Andrew Firth View Post
                        Now, with regards to your "credentials", would they work on the London Job if we tried to get into the Pinchin Street arch, or the board school building on Durward Street....?
                        It's very possible - but that would also include the 'credentials' of all the London Job attendees, which would be pretty impressive as it stands at the moment.

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                        • Worth making enquiries I reckon.

                          Monty
                          Monty

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                          Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

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                          • Full body scans????
                            'Would you like to see my African curiosities?'

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                            • Lemere photos from the 1880's in Limehouse.

                              Hirsch's Oil Mill
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                              London and County Bank 52 East India Dock Rd
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                              • Hi Paddy,

                                Great photos.
                                Washington Irving:

                                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                                Stratford-on-Avon

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