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  • JTRSickert
    Detective
    • Aug 2009
    • 440

    #2086
    THank you, Miss Marple. I appreciate the info. However, in regards to my 1st question, do yo uknow what the alte -evening/early mornign hours were like in Whitechapel/Spitalfields? Was it creepy, dark, and deserted (except for some laborers and unfortunates)? Or, was it a bustle of activity, despite the hours of the day?
    I won't make any deals. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,de-briefed, or numbered!

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    • George Hutchinson
      Inspector
      • Feb 2008
      • 1089

      #2087
      Welcome, Old Montague.

      That's a smashing first post!

      PHILIP
      Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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      • Limehouse
        Chief Inspector
        • Mar 2008
        • 1895

        #2088
        Originally posted by JTRSickert View Post
        THank you, Miss Marple. I appreciate the info. However, in regards to my 1st question, do yo uknow what the alte -evening/early mornign hours were like in Whitechapel/Spitalfields? Was it creepy, dark, and deserted (except for some laborers and unfortunates)? Or, was it a bustle of activity, despite the hours of the day?
        Hi JTRSIckert,

        I hope I can partly help to answer your question.

        The fact that many shops and pubs were open until after mid-night suggests there was some traffic of people through the area in the small hours.

        Workers at the markets in Billingsgate and Spitalfields started very early and would have been on their way to work at around 3am. Slaughter houses also started early. By 5am or so, dock workers (mostly men) would have been making their way to the dock area, especially casual workers who queued for work on a daily basis.

        The homeless often walked around at night and tried to sleep during the day as it was safer that way.

        Policemen walked a regular beat, passing the same spots many times during the night.

        In the main streets and thoroughfares would, therefore, have been busy. However some of the back streets and alleys may well have been deserted for short periods of time.

        It can be noted that, with the exception of Mary Kelly, all the murdered women were discovered within a very short time of their attack - suggesting there were many people up and about at those times.

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        • dixon9
          Detective
          • Jul 2009
          • 237

          #2089
          i know limehouse is correct on how busy it would be around the dock areas in the early hours.All my family worked on the docks ( Royal Albert and East India docks),even going back to the early 1960s(which i remember by going to work with dad as a young lad) there were many casual workers lining the docks looking for work.My father and granddad told me many story about casual workers fighting each other to get to front of cue for work.

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          • John Bennett
            Premium Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 1205

            #2090
            Anybody who has a copy of Charles Poulsen's 'Scenes from a Stepney Childhood' will no doubt be familiar with this illustration of Durward Street by Min Tabor.
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            It also includes a thoroughly atmospheric description of the street and Wood's Buildings as they were when the book was written in 1988.

            I thoroughly recommend it, it's a cracking little read.

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            • The Grave Maurice
              Premium Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 1674

              #2091
              It's Scenes from a Stepney Youth, isn't it? Or has Poulsen got a similarly-titled book that I don't know about.

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              • John Bennett
                Premium Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 1205

                #2092
                GM,

                You're right, it's 'YOUTH'. How on earth did I do that? The book was in front of me!

                Thanks for pointing that one out.

                JB

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                • WARSPITE
                  Detective
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 117

                  #2093
                  Many thanks for more great photos Rob. Youll have to let us know wheres the best place to go to look at old photos, ?LMA. I think I went there years ago, is it still Northampton Row or something? Lovely to see the Roebuck, I remember it well from the 1980s, passing it on a dark night, it looked so cosy inside. I was heartbroken when I heard it had gone forever. Brady St is unrecognisable now.
                  Pete

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                  • JTRSickert
                    Detective
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 440

                    #2094
                    Originally posted by dixon9 View Post
                    i know limehouse is correct on how busy it would be around the dock areas in the early hours.All my family worked on the docks ( Royal Albert and East India docks),even going back to the early 1960s(which i remember by going to work with dad as a young lad) there were many casual workers lining the docks looking for work.My father and granddad told me many story about casual workers fighting each other to get to front of cue for work.
                    I just wanted to say thank you to both limehouse and dixon. Your information was very helpful. Thanks a lot.
                    I won't make any deals. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,de-briefed, or numbered!

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                    • John Bennett
                      Premium Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1205

                      #2095
                      Just a few photos I took yesterday:

                      Dray Walk. This guy was obviously waiting a long time for the shop to open.
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                      Brick Lane.
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                      Christchurch, from Brushfield Street.
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                      • Sam Flynn
                        Casebook Supporter
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13322

                        #2096
                        Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
                        [ATTACH]6680[/ATTACH]This guy was obviously waiting a long time for the shop to open.
                        Nah... they were just running a skeleton staff
                        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                        • John Bennett
                          Premium Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1205

                          #2097
                          And if you look closely at the Durward Street sketch, you can make out Rob Clack and John Bennett on one of their 1980s photo-missions (hiding from the winos).
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                          I really must get out more...

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                          • George Hutchinson
                            Inspector
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 1089

                            #2098
                            I would say you two appear more to be WITH them!

                            PHILIP
                            Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd.

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                            • Rob Clack
                              Inactive
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1708

                              #2099
                              Ah, those were the days. Even though the drawing looks crudely done, I like it and it's actually very good.

                              Rob

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                              • Roy Corduroy
                                Chief Inspector
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 1654

                                #2100
                                Speaking of Durward Street, the 1868 map is released this year by Mapco. It shows Great Eastern Square. Scroll down to the bottom right. (click here to see the map)
                                Sink the Bismark

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