East End Photographs and Drawings

[John Bennett]

Does anyone know what's going on with Thrawl Street?

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I do. Just got to have lunch

[John Bennett]

OK, let's see if I can get this right.

When Thrawl Street was built in the 1670s (by Henry Thrale, no less), it only exteded halfway from Brick Lane, stopping at small enclosed gardens/fields. Later, when these were built over, this led to the creation of Little George Street, eventually renamed Keate Street.

As you may have worked out, Keate Street disappeared when they built the Charlotte DeRothschild Dwellings over it in 1886/7. That's when Thrawl Street was extended west to Commercial Street.

It's hard to say how old the map is, but the information on it dates it as being before 1893 - this was when Red Lion Court, Wood Street and Church Street were renamed Puma Court, Wilkes Street and Fournier Street respectively. There is also no Rothschild buildings. If it is Edwardian, they were using pretty old info.

JB

[Rob Clack]

Entrance to Berner Street from Commercial Road. Taken around 1890ish.



Rob

[Rob Clack]

That's weird, I don't know what happened to the photo and apparently I edited the post when I didn't.
Lets try this:

Berner Street corner of Commercial Road c1890

[BillyE]

Here's the flashearth pics I have of the murder sites in order of the murders. The Berner Street/Henriques Street picture was too big to be uploaded.

[Harry the Hawker]

victorian london photos

there are some good photos here, for anyone who hasn't seen them:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/galleries/view/lifestyle/victorianlondon1888/browse/1

[John Bennett]

I was hoping to post some more pics, but apparently, I've exceeded my 'quota'. Has anybody else had this trouble?

JB

[Mike Covell]

Hi JB,

I have posted loads of pics over on the Robert D'Onston Stephenson threads and it has never said that.
Are the file sizes too big? There is a guide to sizes on the pop up menu when selecting files to upload.
Are you trying to post too many at once?

Contact Ally or spryder if the issue continues, or as many a helpdesk would say, "turn it off and turn it back on again"

Mike

[Stephen Thomas]

Junction of Commercial Road and Berner Street (thanks for the old pic, Rob)

Then and now.



The Victorian barrow boys are now replaced by a flash car.

[Stephen Thomas]

When Thrawl Street was built in the 1670s (by Henry Thrale, no less), it only exteded halfway from Brick Lane, stopping at small enclosed gardens/fields. Later, when these were built over, this led to the creation of Little George Street, eventually renamed Keate Street.

As you may have worked out, Keate Street disappeared when they built the Charlotte DeRothschild Dwellings over it in 1886/7. That's when Thrawl Street was extended west to Commercial Street.

It's hard to say how old the map is, but the information on it dates it as being before 1893 - this was when Red Lion Court, Wood Street and Church Street were renamed Puma Court, Wilkes Street and Fournier Street respectively. There is also no Rothschild buildings. If it is Edwardian, they were using pretty old info.

Thanks for this reply to my post with map #138, John, whiich makes perfect sense. The map would seem to date from the late 1880s. Googling the names of the map publishers Gall and Inglis shows them to be a right pair of A to Zers. Here's an advert from tho cover of the map

[Celesta]

OK, let's see if I can get this right.

When Thrawl Street was built in the 1670s (by Henry Thrale, no less), it only exteded halfway from Brick Lane, stopping at small enclosed gardens/fields. Later, when these were built over, this led to the creation of Little George Street, eventually renamed Keate Street.

As you may have worked out, Keate Street disappeared when they built the Charlotte DeRothschild Dwellings over it in 1886/7. That's when Thrawl Street was extended west to Commercial Street.

It's hard to say how old the map is, but the information on it dates it as being before 1893 - this was when Red Lion Court, Wood Street and Church Street were renamed Puma Court, Wilkes Street and Fournier Street respectively. There is also no Rothschild buildings. If it is Edwardian, they were using pretty old info.

JB

John, Was that little jog at Goulston and Castle actually on the ground or is it an artifact of the way the map was made? Strange that it happens at both streets.

Celesta.

[Celesta]

I was hoping to post some more pics, but apparently, I've exceeded my 'quota'. Has anybody else had this trouble?

JB

John,

Some weird things have happened to me on the site today. I think they are still working on it. Maybe that's why your photos won't post. I had to write a post twice, a few minutes ago, and each time I tried to post it, I got the login box and a message telling me I had to login. I finally had to copy out my post then go back into the thread and open a new message box and paste it. Maybe you should try again later to do your photos.

[John Bennett]

John, Was that little jog at Goulston and Castle actually on the ground or is it an artifact of the way the map was made? Strange that it happens at both streets.

Celesta.

When you say 'jog', do you mean the fact that the streets aren't as straight as they are today?

[Celesta]

When you say 'jog', do you mean the fact that the streets aren't as straight as they are today?

Sorry, "jog" is an Americanism for something that switches directions quickly. On the southern ends of those two streets, Goulston and Castle, there's an offset to the left, or to the east, on those two streets. It may have something to do with the way the map was put together, although it appears to have been drawn that way. Don't worry about it, John. It's not important. I notice little things about maps because I used to work a lot with maps.

Hope you get your photos posted. I'm looking forward to seeing them.

[Matfelon]

Just wanted to repost some scans from Fishman's "The Streets of East London".

Artillery Passage
Cobb Street
Salmon Lane
Thrawl Street