Dutfields Yard interior photograph, 1900

[Suzi]

These were!!!!!!!!!!! 1900

Actually in THE pic there's no women with anything unseemly aka an ankle- those who may show something of that kind are children

[Cap'n Jack]

Going back to my unchallenged point about the bare legs of the ladies in George's photo. It is unlikely that the photograph was taken before 1930 because of this important social factor.
In the mid 1920's women were photographed with the ankles bare, but in 1900 it was unimaginable that a well to do woman would have been photographed with bare legs up to the knees.
A couple of illustrations from that period:

[Steve F]

Uncle Dick!

Just my luck! I get sick with food poisoning and miss the photo being posted!I really will have to crack on with that time machine now!

[Suzi]

Me too- there must be a way- or there again maybe not..Anyway Welcome back Tom where were we chaps...The Light??

Suz xx

[Monty]

Tom

Its a shame youve not had a chance to see it as I would have valued your opinion but, just as important, I know you would have enjoyed viewing it.

I hope you get a chance to see it soon.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

Hello all,

Thanks to those who have e-mailed and PM'd me about this thread. I was asked the same question by more than one person, so I figured I'd just answer it here: No, Philip did not show me the photo, and no I don't think there was any particular reason why. He has enough people in his close circle of friends far more knowledgable than myself, so there's no real reason why he should have, except perhaps to see if I had photos of Dutfield's Yard in my collection to which he could compare his own find. I'm just glad it was Philip who discovered the photo and not some of the naysayers on this thread who would have been clueless as to its relevance.

As to my own thoughts on the photo, I don't have any, because I still have not seen it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Suzi]

There's a light-over at the International Workingmen's Educational Club' Hmmmmmm needs some more work...........

.....Better not try the 'Burning in the firepla-ace' line...That'd never work!

[John Bennett]

Annnd rest...

[Monty]

Jake,

You need access to the Board of Works archives.

Know anyone who could get that for you?

I have a man in Croydon who does all that work for me, he is very good. I shall send you his details!

[Jake L]

Rob,

Did you sort the lighting issues you had?

Monty

Working from memory here....

The photos & OS give us the best evidence as to the location of three of the four Berner St lamps. (Commercial Rd corner, Sander ST corner & entry to Batty's Gdns.

Of course, the photos *are* early 19th c & the large scale OS is from 1873, so there is some room for error there. But in general, the lamps marked on these OSes mostly were still there in later photos etc.

As to the last one....I'd guess the entry to Hampshire Ct would be a contender. Only a guess, though, based on where such things were usually situated.

[Leatherface]

I think who ever killed her just cut her throat and left long before Diemschutz arrived, but that's just my opinion.

As far as I can recall, there was no blood splatter. I don't have my books with me, but were the strangulations represented in the press? It takes a lot more time to strangle and slash, than just slash. At least, I would assume. I haven't strangled and slashed in awhile.

R

[Monty]

Rob,

I agree....and stop your snivelling. If the horse shied away to the left from the body why not the 3rd party?

Jake,

Did you sort the lighting issues you had?

Monty

[Rob Clack]

Another point i want to mention again is that would any killer let alone Jack risk attacking and murdering a victim so close to the main street with people walking about. Surley he would lure his victim away from the main street down into the darkness of the yard itself or is that suggestion illogical

You mean like Durward Street

Personally I don't think Stride was a Ripper victim anyway, I think who ever killed her just cut her throat and left long before Diemschutz arrived, but that's just my opinion.

Rob

[Fisherman]

Trevor Marriott writes:

"... in fact now we know they open out into a passegeway/driveway"

We have known that since 1888, Trevor. The maps have always been quite clear on the point.

The best!
Fisherman

[Matty]

Another point i want to mention again is that would any killer let alone Jack risk attacking and murdering a victim so close to the main street with people walking about. Surley he would lure his victim away from the main street down into the darkness of the yard itself or is that suggestion illogical

No not in the least bit illogical. But 2 of the C5 murders were undeniably committed in the street, albeit Eddowes was in the dark corner of a Square, but still it was on the open and it was on the street and Nichols was killed in a residential street.

Again perhaps it does point to stride not being a true Ripper killing, perhaps the killer knowing all he needed was the less than 5 seconds it take to cut her throat and lay her to the ground was all he needed, took the risk of pulling her of the main street by only a few feet.

In any event why are we getting all hot under the collar when we know Stride wasnt a Ripper victim

C'mon thats such a silly thing to say that it doesn't even deserve an answer.