'Seven Stars' in Whitechapel?

[Cap'n Jack]

John, thank you, but my elaboration may confuse.
In our culture, we name the Seven Sisters star group thus, but in the Pacific, and in many other parts of the world the Seven Sisters, or Seven Stars, are known as the 'Necklace'.
Now I just happen to know a young man from 1888 who had a dagger with the Seven Sisters carved into it's blade; and who was fond of sticking that blade into women, in fact he went to Broadmoor for the rest of his life for doing so; and whose father was resident in Fiji at that time.
It was a 'pretty necklace' he gave them.
Happy birthday, Mac.

[Sam Flynn]

in the Pacific, and in many other parts of the world the Seven Sisters, or Seven Stars, are known as the 'Necklace'. I just happen to know a young man from 1888 who had a dagger with the Seven Sisters carved into it's blade; and who was fond of sticking that blade into women; and whose father was resident in Fiji at that time.

It appears that in the Japanese part of the Pacific the asterism of the Pleiades is called Subaru, AP - hence its appearance on the well-known Subaru logo. In one article I found about Schmidt-Cassegrain telescopes, the word is said to mean "The Necklace". However, most Web sources seem to indicate that Subaru simply means "To Unite", although I can see how that might be a metaphor for something worn around the neck. That notwithstanding, it seems that in Fiji, and elsewhere in Polynesia proper, the Pleiades are called Matariki, or some variant thereof. This means "Eyes of God" - apparently nowt to do with necklaces at all.

From the New Zealand Herald, 12th June 2008:

"Polynesians know the constellation [i.e. the Pleiades] by the cognates Matali'i (Samoa), Matari'i (Tahiti), Makali'i (Hawaii) and Matariki (Rarotonga and New Zealand) through star lore that stretched far back into the pre-European Pacific. Centuries before Christopher Columbus sailed tentatively into the unknown, the Austronesian-speaking ancestors of the Polynesians, navigating by the sun, moon, planets and stars, settled hundreds of islands across the Pacific and Indian oceans - Madagascar, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, the Marianas, Caroline and Kiribati islands, the Solomons, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, Tahiti, Hawaii, Marquesas, Tuamotus, Rarotonga, Easter Island and New Zealand. "

[Jeff Leahy]

So is Tottenham, AP. As a former resident meself, the local branch of Tesco was on Tottenham High Road - not from my house, which was near Tottenham Hale tube station. However the nearest underground station to Tottenham Tesco was Seven Sisters, one stop away from Tottenham Hale.

What was the name of the Pub by the resevoir?

[Cap'n Jack]

I suppose that understanding that a Great Bear was the female entity is a blow. The missus I suppose, Sam.

You'll find that from the Easter Islands to Fiji, it was a 'necklace'.

[Sam Flynn]

What was the name of the Pub by the resevoir?

My local was a pub called the "Volunteer", Jeff - which wasn't too far from the reservoir, but it was hardly overlooking it. I was a student then, so I tended to stay well clear of water if I could help it

If it wasn't the Volunteer, it was the Bell & Hare on High Street, which had excellent pool tables.

[Jeff Leahy]

I have my suspicions now?

Every local would have known the Ferry Boat Inn

http://www.ferrylane.org.uk/lea.html

I lived at Black Horse Cottge, Black Horse lane

and the venue on the corner?

every student would have known that

[Sam Flynn]

I suppose that understanding that a Great Bear was the female entity is a blow.

Indeed... "Ursa" Major as opposed to "Ursus". Never thought about it before, AP. Thanks.

You'll find that from the Easter Islands to Fiji, it was a 'necklace'.

Not according to the sources I've read so far, I'm afraid. Even if it were, having an image of a metaphorical "necklace" - which looks more like a saucepan - whose embodiment as such might only be known if one had an arcane knowledge of obscure Oceanic mythology is hardly compelling. In the same league, perhaps, as imagining that Berkowitz used bullets with the word "Bang!" etched on the casing in Sanskrit.

[Jeff Leahy]

To pissed to remember Sam

http://www.livebandphotos.co.uk/standard/

[Sam Flynn]

and the venue on the corner? every student would have known that

This one didn't.

I have my suspicions now?

Why? Is it becoz I is Welsh?

I lived in Scales Road, Tottenham, and my landlord was a very nice man named Azad Ayub of Burgoyne Road, Harringay. Not that he'd remember - it was 22 years ago that he last saw me, and he had loads of properties and tenants even back then. If he's still going he's probably very wealthy by now, and jolly good luck to him.

[Sam Flynn]

To pissed to remember Sam

http://www.livebandphotos.co.uk/standard/

Jeff, I'm a classical music and real ale buff. You wouldn't catch me dead in a place like that!

(Seriously, I really hate nightclubs.)

[Jeff Leahy]

They all say that Sam

[Sam Flynn]

They all say that Sam

'Tis true, Jeff. Heck, for my 18th birthday I was press-ganged into merging my party with that a few schoolmates also passing that milestone, and had to go along with their intention to hold the bash at a "discotheque" in Swansea. I sat on the stairs at Baron's nightclub for most of the evening, reading a paperback copy of Thus Spake Zarathustra - not kidding - only venturing into the noise, smoke and Aviance-saturated atmosphere of the club to refill my glass periodically with watered-down lager.

[Jeff Leahy]

22 years? Hay that was 1986...

I was finishing my degree in Whitmoreans? Wolverhampton...

Cathrine Eddows territory..

Are you really that old Sam?

[Sam Flynn]

...indeed I am that old, Jeff - which ain't bad, considering I was born middle-aged.

Anyhow - apologies for banter. Back to the thread.

[Jake L]

Excellent shot by Rob of the location of the Friday/Marshall encounter.

The warehouse at the back, it seems, was a GNR (cold) goods station (Friday was carting a fish shipment that morning). The pair of buildings containing the Marshall household would have stood in between the pub & the WH.

Sam,
So whenever you read Nietszche nowadays, it is accompanied in your mind by Boney M?

/jake